To think swinging is URRGH!?

NorthernRock - my apologies for my use of the word 'judge' - I must have temporarily forgotten where I was posting - lol!

Pmsl - nicely put northernrock

Some clubs do admit single men on some nights and not on others; some clubs also have dedicated bi nights where bi and bi curious men go as well as bi women.

It used to be the case (apparently) that one reason you saw less man-on-man/bi male action was because it was illegal or thought of as illegal for men to do anything sexual to each other when there was anyone else present.

The reason single men are excluded from swinging clubs is because they can become intimidating to women, and sometimes become sex pests, bothering women when they're not welcome. Women hold the aces, they really do, yes they are entertaining men, but they're also entertaining themselves.

For some reason, women's bisexuality is less of a taboo than men's, probably because men find it sexy, but it's a brilliant opportunity for bi curious women to give it a go.

Caveat: Except for the thing David said about not having the right to judge. I always reserve the right to judge.

Havent read the whole thread (yet), but what StayingDavid TennantsGirl said.

I must say, some of the blissfully happily married people on here who rhapsodise about the soulful, spiritual, hot sex they enjoy with their (getting more gorgeous by the minute DH) is making me gag even more than the descriptions of the wipe clean furniture in the Labia room.

Get over yourselves you smug caaahs.

Incidentally, chickens, is the Volvo guy still there d'you know? Is it a newish Volvo, or an older model? I could do with a lift home.

did anyone notice the op posted then cleared off,am i wrong?

Why do people feel the need to denigrate other people's choices? I am equally disgusted by the attitudes of people who say that their love-lives are immeasurably better and more imaginative because they swing/enjoy spanking/are sub/Dom as I am by those who think swinging must mean that someone is in a soulless, meaningless marriage, they have zero self-esteem, and are weak women being manipulated by bullying men.

I believe that LeQueen and fbwife have equally fulfilled, loving and wonderful marriages. I believe that people have an absolute right to find the thought of swinging to be urgghhh - they just don't have the right to judge or denigrate those who don't agree with them.

gay i really was just having a laugh (and you did say the dick joke to be fair)
Having a hell of a day and just was lightening the load on here,if you knew me in rl which i know you dont,you'd know im the last person to be like that.Im not really going to dis my own vagina am i?? haha

No...not pissed off but sometimes this negative suggestion that women smell "not very nice" down there can be quite damaging for both women and men. It gives some men an excuse for not giving oral sex, and some women hang ups about receiving it.
Not really what you want in a relationship.

haha i remember when i was a student in London and we used to picket Boots complaining that feminine deoderisors were the work of the devil/men "dont you like our smell"we would shout

If you use deodourized wipes on your foof then you will end up with it smelling and tasting like a mackerel, as the wretched things do you no favours and can often make any foof problems worse.
If you have got a whiff or a discharge, go to the doctor.

apologize for spelling.

gay i am about to pop so have an excuse i was worried that would piss you off,i just mean for me as a hetro it would maybe be like that and a lot of pure hetros feel they have to "preform" with females to titilate their men,im sure you wouldnt like to suck a cock just to turn on your partner.I think you may be right about a lot of cocks too

If you think fanny is like dead mackerel, you need to pop yourself in the bath.
Saying that, I think all cock is like sweaty knob cheese, which is just as silly a sweeping generalisation.

"But equally there is a huge industry pedalling clothing, toys, videos, swings, leather, costumes, uniforms, fetish gear etc etc etc that isn't about monogamy "
Binfull, do you think that is all anti monogomy ? I don't. Things like rabbits, tongues, love balls, cock rings, are all pretty mainstream now. Hardly anti relationship.

Binful - the thought of seeing my dad doing anything sexual makes me heave (where's the pukey smiley???)

Rather than putting his penis in a tea towel holder?

My sons god daddies supporting adults described a similar scenario to me.

I also wonder where their racy "gay lifestyle" is as has been asked on here, as it all seems to get lumped in with swinging, fetish, and sexual behaviour rather than a genetic predilection, or sexual orientation.

I spend every other weekend with them and never witness them in assless chaps and motorcycle hats which is probably a good thing as we normally do the big shop in Asda and then visit one of their mums at an old folks home.

Although tbf in Brighton no one would blink an eyelid I'm sure at anyone in assless chaps pushing a trolley.

While we are on the subject of homosexuality/lesbianism, it actually pissed me off when FBWife said criticising swinging was like gay-bashing. As far as see it being gay is WHO YOU ARE, it is your identity, an innate characteristic. Swinging is an activity. I would find gay swinging just as unappealing as heterosexuals doing it (although, again, I think men's sexuality can be quite different as there isn't the same power imbalance in men v men as with men v women).

Next thing you know FBWife will be accusing us of being Nazis...

Indeed.

Fantasy is fine. I know he fantasises about me with another woman, and I have actually fantasised about him with another woman too (although strangely enough, not another man!) and we have told each other this.

The reality? both of us would run in the other direction, make no mistake.

I think it would be like licking a dead mackerel if you weren't actually attracted to it.

My gay friend describes having sex with a woman as like putting his penis between two chicken breasts. Completely unarousing and slightly sickening.

Again I think there is also a huge gap between fantasy and reality. I can understand a fantasy concerning group sex, swinging or whatever. But the reality would be quite different - like what Ilovekevin described.

So as much as my husband my say the idea of me with a woman is titilating, I reckon he would FREAK if I actually brought a woman home.