AIBU to see this accidental rejection email as a red flag?

[ElizabethReed]

What they do not want
Too senior
This is a major red flag.
They do not want:

• 15–20 year veteran
• people who have “done everything already”
• people who feel too established / too corporate
• someone who may be less hungry for a builder seat

G specifically said profiles like “I built xxx rm” are probably not the right fit.

I accidentally received this email along with my rejection today. The notes from the hiring manager.

It is a silly error where their notes got sent to OP, apparently giving her a case for indirect age discrimination. That won't get her a job at this employer, but she could take action against them and receive compensation for loss of earnings and injury to feelings.

Your post is really hard to understand.

Loss of what earnings exactly? Injury to feelings? For not getting the job? I really don't understand.

not sure what you mean by red flag.

they rejected you for the job and accidentally shared their notes.

notes don't reveal anything too shocking really - who wants to recruit someone who's not the right fit for the role?

Sorry but this!

😅

I’d ask for feedback and see if it matches what they’ve put in their notes … other than that you’re not going to get anywhere complaining

How much compo for hurty feelings?

Loss of what earnings?

I would just send the notes back with a message that you are sure that sending these to you was unintentional. Or bin them.

this

not enough detail to comment op

Do you believe that people with plenty of experience, ie. older people, cannot be malleable and excited about their career?

Loss of earnings covers the difference between what OP would have earned (including benefits) from the date she would have started the job to the date of the hearing and what she has actually earned, if anything. If she in unemployed or earning a lower salary than this job offered, the tribunal will also order a sum for future loss of earnings. Without knowing more details it is impossible to say how much OP would get under this heading.

Injury to feelings is compensation for the distress, anxiety or humiliation caused by the discrimination. These are awarded based on Vento bands. The lowest band for less serious cases is £1,300 to £12,600. The most serious cases can attract compensation of up to £62,900 under this heading, with exceptional cases going even higher.

If you didn't get the job I actually think that is much more constructive feedback than I have gotten in the past after interviews, though I agree all of those things should have been obvious from your cv without the need for an interview.

Also the comment that they don't want a "15-20 year veteran" should be making any HR manager cringe as that smacks of a discrimination suit waiting to happen.

I would be certainly be tempted to show that email to an employment lawyer and get some advice. I wouldn't be interested in compensation though, just justice for what appears to be age discrimination.

I think you could with these notes make a case for indirect age discrimination - but lets be honest most people just move on quickly to next interview.

I'd potentailly think bullet dodged as I expect it's a post that will assume enthusiasm means lots of unpaid overtime.

It also suggests poor screening of interviewee by HR prior to intevriews. DH once was asked why he and people with his background wern't applying for jobs at one huge institute by head of department - he said he had several times and got rejected never called for interview. Guy ask if he'd re-apply now - well no we'd just all moved - but got a thank you call later apparently HR had been ignoring what department said they wanted and pushing completely wrong candiates and going back through reject pile they had found several and finally manged to fill their posts.

It's age discrimination, clear as day.

What the OP chooses to do with it is her business. If it were me and all my bridges were burned with the employer I might respond with a link to EHRC guidelines.

I agree that people move on and OP should as well, however, I don't think that any organisation should be allowed to get away with any type of discrimination. I suspect that if the company notes had said "too black", or "too disabled" or "too gay", then more posters would, quite rightly, be up in arms over it. Age discrimination often seems to be at best ignored, and at worst encouraged.

ETA: "too experienced" can be another way of saying "too old". Unless of course the company is hoping to hire older people with no work experience.

Funny, you get people on here who can't fulfil the requirements of a job due to mental health and it's 'disability discrimination' all the way but when an employer literally sends in WRITING that someone is 'too senior' and has 'too much experience' apparently not age discrimination.

Why does every other thread have red flags mentioned? Talk about over kill.
I get it when it is the warning about the behaviour of someone or something nasty. But why is the email a red flag about anything? The Op's wasn't suitable for the post it happens, the email was wrongly sent so that's not good, but the rest of it really ?🤔

You talk like we know who these people are and the context?

Heck, if this was true why aren't more peeps suing because they didn't get a job?
No doubt OP wasn't the only one to apply and if she didn't get that email she wouldn't be on here to start with.

I take it you actually read different threads on MN.

If I could claim injury to feelings for every time I didn't get a job I wanted I'd be absolutely minted by now!

Sounds like covert age discrimination to me

Yes I do, what’s your point