Sexism/Racism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 4

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RedToothBrush · Yesterday 20:39

We are going to need at least another 40 pages about this shit show of an anti-Semitic woman hating party...

We started these threads back in May 2025. It keeps getting worse.

You know when you watch a drama and it starts by being comic, then gets darker and darker. The threads started with the rise of Zack Polanski aka Hypno Boobs, Water Titty, ZPy before he became leader watching as he got elected in September 2, 2025.

The Hypnoboobs scandal was of course kind of funny, but what was very revealing was his attempt to paint it as a plot by the media against him. It was gradually revealed he used the drama to his advantage to advertise his business and he did claim to have weird powers over boobs from BBC footage.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

It wasn't just he lied. humans and especially politicians do that. It is rather he refused to take responsibility, and ducked out. He has kept doing it again and again. Exaggerations and lies over claiming support from charities, ducking out of paying taxes, talking over women saying they don't deserve sports or any spaces, about why he swapped from Lib Dem to being Green . It is all very similar to the way many behave particularly blokes from other political parties.

Now the crazy anti Semitism within the party has been growing and ZP has failed to stop it. He did try to block it behind the scenes, but was very reluctant to face it head on. This cumulated in the Greens Conference 2006, when ZP failed to fight against the racist anti-Zionist motion in person. Instead he went to campaign in London for the byelection. Meanwhile guess what the fight back was lead mostly by 4 of the 5 Green MPs, mostly women.

Looking back at the last thread the horror is everything we predicted has come to pass. This is what headed the last thread in May 2006.
Now in the last week or so after a longstanding spate of anti-Semitic rhetoric from some Greens during the election campaign and ZP downplaying it. We have synagogues, schools, ambulances attacked, two Jewish people dead and ZP berating unarmed police for risking their lives in fighting a violent killer who was still armed with a knife things have come to a crisis point.
The Greens are becoming ever more sinister with dozens of candidates sounding like they are seventies NF supporters with comments about uppity women and Jewish power.

The October Conference 2026 was as dark as predicted. The racism was crazy. They banned the words mum and dad. Apparently women have to dress modestly to win Muslim votes. Not only was Green's Women's Declaration banned, but some Greens have now decided that women's biology is so icky they protest talks about it.
https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16181937/Trans-Green-women-event-female-health.html

Besides ZPy, we also have documented Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it. He has always had a issues with encouraging racist violence and one look at his wife shows what he thinks about women. He is also a landlord in a party which is supposedly anti landlord. Ali has been very loud talking about how bad racism is, but also loves being racist.

The other deputy leader Rachel Millward represents the posh rich faction of the Greens who manages to sounded like Reform when opposing Asylum Seekers in her area, but at the same time saying we are too harsh on immigrants in general. Obviously she also doesn't believe women are a thing. She also is a landlord as well, or rather her partner is. Yet she is the least crazy when violence and racism is concerned compared to ZP, and Mothin.

All of these people are up for re-election in 2027. The drama will be epic.

The media is paying increasing attention to what Mumsnet have been noting for ages. Mumsnet was there during the Challenor scandal which showed how awful the Greens anti-women rhetoric could be.

The Greens control Bristol where they face legal action from women for trying to silence them
https://www.localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk/governance/396-governance-news/99477-gender-critical-campaigners-launch-judicial-review-proceedings-over-council-chamber-ban

Their sexist nonsense has also raised protests in Hackney under the control of Zoe Garbbett with effigies of Andy Burnham being burned.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5527195-zoe-garbett-green-mayor-for-hackney?page=1

Women being silenced in Green controlled Haringey
https://www.gbnews.com/news/trans-row-activists-heckle-abuse-labour-councillor

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration, https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ continues and they are now taking the Greens to court for banning them from the conference twice for being women. The court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing, both getting through legal delaying tactics as they move to trial. Gardening is needed. These cases if successful could be dramatic in their impact.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of ZP and lots of other scandal May 2025
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Second Thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2?

Third thread - the run up to the Greens Conference in October 2026
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5524462-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-3

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their sexist/racist drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology and women/gays enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

'Bombing' suggests accelerated descent.....which is certainly true for the Greens, but I'd suggest Kemi's Tories are on a gradual rise.

Well he claimed his relatives did.

But recollections may vary

https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16176399/Polanski-family-fled-Nazis-grandparents-born-britain-long-war.html

Well with a bit of luck Polanski will get soundly beaten in tomorrow's Holborn by election and then both he and the Green Party will plunge into further extremism and obscurity.

Maybe the forthcoming coup will have Mothin Ali as leader. With Lubna Speitan as deputy.

Exactly

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Green party activists are also keeping tabs on footballers who are liking posts that are seen as too je Zionist

https://x.com/YisraelChaiAdam/status/2107230373432205411?s=61

Sure, that's technically true, but it's like being 3 basement stories short of the ground floor where you were after the GE. Yes, you're not 5 floors down. But there still isn't any natural daylight where you are.
I can actually see the Conservatives falling again after this conference, as a previous long term Tory voter l get no pleasure to say that.
But Polanski's fall from grace is hugely enjoyable and overdue, I know a prominent ex-Green previously high up in the party who was treated abysmally over her GC views, everything you've read about these pint-sized triggered McCarthyites is true.

That’s mad!

Exactly what he's done about women being made unwelcome by men protesting their meetings about pelvic floor exercises?

This is widely stated, and misses by a country mile that the state of Israel was founded by Jews fighting (and winning) a vicious and bloody war of independence against invading Arab armies of four neighbouring nations. Nobody at the time decided to give the Jews a refuge; everyone else at the time tried very hard to prevent them having one.

Israel didn’t and doesn’t need anyone’s permission to exist. It was recognized by the UN after the war was won and was already a state.

I don't understand why this behaviour is not triggering security services investigations. Is this not actively undermining both national unity and the safety of a group of UK citizens. I thought this was the remit of MI5 to deal with? No?

Thanks for posting that, I vaguely remembered it from previous discussions.

Hopefully his lies will get lots of scrutiny now.

I need an astonished emoji.

I did when Amnesty disassociated from them, too.

I will add that most people (by which we tend to mean European countries and the English speaking US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, let’s face it) were facing their own difficulties after WW2 and weren’t much disposed to think of the Jews as much other than troublemakers. It was only in the sixties and the Eichmann trial that the Holocaust’s depth and depravity reached ears that were prepared to hear it.

So this whole “we gave the Jews a country because we felt sorry for them” is a huge exercise in retconning to soothe some overactive consciences. People like to think that’s what they did at the time.

Meanwhile most of the real rest of the world cares nothing for Jewish history and denies the Holocaust took place. They didn’t and don’t give any care for the Jews’ safety.

That his family fled persecution for being Jewish was the takeaway, and this isn’t in question.

My point is that you’d think given his family history that he’d understand the need for his community to feel safe and valued.

A choice Reddit thread about Speitan

https://www.reddit.com/r/UKGreens/s/H1ZYcY37a5

Ian Dunt is trying to explain on Bluesky

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:ohv6526r5vzyzvr4mdsxwdrk/post/3mxbjimu5js2v

The other point is that once a country is recognised, in international law it cannot be de-recognised as this motion proposes for Israel.

If you've had Professor Sarah Paine lectures pop up on your socials there's an anecdote about how India under Nehru recognised China's sovereignty over Tibet which then meant they were stymied when China then invaded Indian territory via that territory. Iirc UK didn't, and it's why when those big floods happened in Nepal the I think why UK news channels referred to rivers in Tibet taking out Chinese border posts.

Way back archive machine seems to be down so just in case it gets deleted here are some screenshots.

Mix of "right wing smear" and "did she ACTUALLY mean that though"

The other night they repeated the documentary about the girl who grew up as part of the Maoist cult in Brixton. They had a clip of the remaining female members berating journalists who were covering the inquest of her mother as agents of the fascist state

A Richard Harrison in that linked post says* *

The organs of that state need to be dissolved

There are 10 million Israelis of whom about half can be put under arms, if the country is under sufficient threat, and a hundred or more nuclear weapons of all sizes in Israel’s inventory along with the capability to launch them.

so, Richard Harrison, you and whose army, is going to do that?

A point on the two state solution, often it’s right of return that is a big sticking point. Israelis wouldn’t care of Palestinians wanted to move to Palestine but they are often talking a bit moving people to Israel proper. The fact is the vast majority of Palestinians not in gaza, the west bank or israel have never ever lived in any of those three places. They were born and lived in places like Syria, Jordan and Lebanon yet the demand is they should be able to “return” to israel proper. It’s a nonsense sticking point but nonetheless it seems to keep popping up. It’s like Indians and Pakistanis demanding to be able to go back to their ancestral homes in each others countries. Neither Indian nor Pakistan would find that acceptable yet it’s touted as a serious suggestion here.

There are definitely pro peace, pro two state solution Palestinians who want nothing but an end to the conflict and a reasonable solution that doesn’t involve harming Israelis. I’m nit sure they are in the majority though.

I think also when people grin and say the one state solution, it’s usually because they believe there will be a big fight and the arabs will win. What happened in Gaza was Israelis trying not to kill everyone there whilst trying to kill Hamas and destroy tunnels. In an actual gloves off, no holds barred fight I would expect the Israelis to win. It’s rooted in either a delusion they can co-exist or the deluded belief that it would lead to the eradication of Jewish presence.

I’m no Polanski fan, but this is a distraction. Focus on constructively criticizing what he says and does as a politician.

BTW having done family history work for others, I have seen that it is common for families to be separated when they are forced to flee.

From what I have read, his great grandparents came to the UK following the pograms in Latvia but it is very possible that his great great grandparents and or other relatives - great aunts, great uncles and their families, fled to other mainland European countries that were subsequently invaded by the Nazis.

What’s the important difference between fleeing deadly pogroms in Latvia, and Nazi death camp deportations from Latvia fifty years later?

is it more sexy to have fled the Nazis than the pogroms of Latvian Jew haters?

Please enlighten us. I’m not sure what your point is.

@Bikenutz Im hoping someone can enlighten me! I’m wondering why the world thinks that fleeing Nazis is a badge of honour so that ZP needs to claim it and the DM needs to debunk it by pointing out his grandparents were born in the UK. Why does anyone think his grandparents were in the UK? European antisemitism wasn’t invented by Nazi Germany.

The first pogrom was in Norwich iirc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapelfield_well_mass_grave

And now it's the home of Elliot Folan