Sexism/Racism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 4

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RedToothBrush · Yesterday 20:39

We are going to need at least another 40 pages about this shit show of an anti-Semitic woman hating party...

We started these threads back in May 2025. It keeps getting worse.

You know when you watch a drama and it starts by being comic, then gets darker and darker. The threads started with the rise of Zack Polanski aka Hypno Boobs, Water Titty, ZPy before he became leader watching as he got elected in September 2, 2025.

The Hypnoboobs scandal was of course kind of funny, but what was very revealing was his attempt to paint it as a plot by the media against him. It was gradually revealed he used the drama to his advantage to advertise his business and he did claim to have weird powers over boobs from BBC footage.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

It wasn't just he lied. humans and especially politicians do that. It is rather he refused to take responsibility, and ducked out. He has kept doing it again and again. Exaggerations and lies over claiming support from charities, ducking out of paying taxes, talking over women saying they don't deserve sports or any spaces, about why he swapped from Lib Dem to being Green . It is all very similar to the way many behave particularly blokes from other political parties.

Now the crazy anti Semitism within the party has been growing and ZP has failed to stop it. He did try to block it behind the scenes, but was very reluctant to face it head on. This cumulated in the Greens Conference 2006, when ZP failed to fight against the racist anti-Zionist motion in person. Instead he went to campaign in London for the byelection. Meanwhile guess what the fight back was lead mostly by 4 of the 5 Green MPs, mostly women.

Looking back at the last thread the horror is everything we predicted has come to pass. This is what headed the last thread in May 2006.
Now in the last week or so after a longstanding spate of anti-Semitic rhetoric from some Greens during the election campaign and ZP downplaying it. We have synagogues, schools, ambulances attacked, two Jewish people dead and ZP berating unarmed police for risking their lives in fighting a violent killer who was still armed with a knife things have come to a crisis point.
The Greens are becoming ever more sinister with dozens of candidates sounding like they are seventies NF supporters with comments about uppity women and Jewish power.

The October Conference 2026 was as dark as predicted. The racism was crazy. They banned the words mum and dad. Apparently women have to dress modestly to win Muslim votes. Not only was Green's Women's Declaration banned, but some Greens have now decided that women's biology is so icky they protest talks about it.
https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16181937/Trans-Green-women-event-female-health.html

Besides ZPy, we also have documented Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it. He has always had a issues with encouraging racist violence and one look at his wife shows what he thinks about women. He is also a landlord in a party which is supposedly anti landlord. Ali has been very loud talking about how bad racism is, but also loves being racist.

The other deputy leader Rachel Millward represents the posh rich faction of the Greens who manages to sounded like Reform when opposing Asylum Seekers in her area, but at the same time saying we are too harsh on immigrants in general. Obviously she also doesn't believe women are a thing. She also is a landlord as well, or rather her partner is. Yet she is the least crazy when violence and racism is concerned compared to ZP, and Mothin.

All of these people are up for re-election in 2027. The drama will be epic.

The media is paying increasing attention to what Mumsnet have been noting for ages. Mumsnet was there during the Challenor scandal which showed how awful the Greens anti-women rhetoric could be.

The Greens control Bristol where they face legal action from women for trying to silence them
https://www.localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk/governance/396-governance-news/99477-gender-critical-campaigners-launch-judicial-review-proceedings-over-council-chamber-ban

Their sexist nonsense has also raised protests in Hackney under the control of Zoe Garbbett with effigies of Andy Burnham being burned.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5527195-zoe-garbett-green-mayor-for-hackney?page=1

Women being silenced in Green controlled Haringey
https://www.gbnews.com/news/trans-row-activists-heckle-abuse-labour-councillor

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration, https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ continues and they are now taking the Greens to court for banning them from the conference twice for being women. The court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing, both getting through legal delaying tactics as they move to trial. Gardening is needed. These cases if successful could be dramatic in their impact.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of ZP and lots of other scandal May 2025
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Second Thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2?

Third thread - the run up to the Greens Conference in October 2026
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5524462-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-3

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their sexist/racist drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology and women/gays enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

Syria (and Lebanon) are both in territory that is on the other side of the Sykes-Picot line, and administered by France after WW1.

Syria was established as an independent nation in 1945, and Lebanon in 1943.

The map of the middle east was very different before WW2, in ways that people who vote or think in favour of that Green resolution garbage can't even imagine.

They've managed to annoy Peter Tatchell

I see he managed to get in a swipe in about 'trans' rights in the UK while moaning about Iran. 🙄

from memory George Monbiot was ALL about the winning charisma of Zack Polanski last year, and when he was on R4 any questions just after the Manchester synagogue attack, was citing some distant Jewish ancestry connection to tell actual people who were still practicing Jews now that whilst the attacks were TERRIBLE, you know, Israel apartheid mmmmm Zionism it's Bad mmmkay?

Id like to see if he addresses recent events

More developments things are moving very fast. The Greens are really heading towards a train wreck. Lanour, Lib Dems, The Church of England all getting involved.

Labour figures rule out working with Greens after ‘Zionism is racism’ vote
Minister says they could not see parties cooperating, while official says coalition should be formally ruled out

One Labour minister said they could not foresee how the two parties could work together, while a government official said Labour should formally rule out a future coalition or other arrangement.
There is also pressure within the Liberal Democrats for them to end existing arrangements with Zack Polanski’s party, with some senior Lib Dems calling on the party to end its coalition with the Greens in Southwark, south London.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/oct/06/labour-figures-rule-out-working-with-greens-after-zionism-is-racism-vote

Bristol Greens, the ones who banned women from the council meetings are upset

Green council leader speaks out against Greens’ ‘Zionism is racism’ motion

https://www.bristol247.com/news-and-features/news/green-council-leader-speaks-against-greens-zionism-racism-motion/

Cornwall Green leader condemns his party's 'Zionism is racism' motion
'I think it's set a really dangerous precedent, to be honest. Zionism clearly doesn't mean a single thing to everyone. Ultimately, it's rooted in a history of persecution.'
https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/cornwall-green-leader-condemns-partys-11186649.amp

Plaid can only manage an ill judged
https://nation.cymru/news/green-party-anti-zionist-motion-was-ill-judged-says-welsh-first-minister/

Many other media sources are now reporting on the links to Al-Qaeda.

Green Party member behind 'Zionism is racism' motion is 'good friends' with Al-Qaeda terrorist behind Heathrow bomb plot
https://www.gbnews.com/politics/green-party-zionism-motion-al-qaeda-terrorist-heathrow-bomb-plot

Archbishop urged to ban Church clergy joining Greens over 'Zionism is racism' vote
https://www.aol.co.uk/articles/archbishop-urged-ban-church-clergy-171000000.html

Mothin Ali ducking questions
Sky News
'Where is Zack Polanski?': Greens deputy leader avoids Sky News questions amid Zionism row

''The Green Party member behind the controversial "Zionism is racism" motion is a "close friend" of a convicted al-Qaeda terrorist who plotted an attack that could have killed "hundreds" at Heathrow Airport.
Lubna Speitan, a British-Palestinian artist, originally proposed the motion, urging Green Party members to oppose "racist systems of oppression".

Videos online appear to show Ms Speitan previously demanding members "continue until we dismantle Zionism from the world, from every country," urging people to "hunt" Zionists down before warning: "It won't happen without force."
The Telegraph has now revealed Ms Speitan is a "close friend" of a convicted al-Qaeda terrorist, and agreed to testify that he was a peaceful man. He was ultimately sentenced to 40 years in prison'

He's not happy.

The Deputy Leader of the Welsh Greens has quit the party citing a lack of support from the national party and the zionism is racism motion.

Comment piece from Alice Thomson in the Times

www.thetimes.com/article/dc8effc0-94d2-4a50-a674-ce48d592628f?shareToken=8d2fdc5f44493f9c04f345492880e107&ver=article

And an interview with Andrée Frieze who has left the Green Party following the conference motion

www.thetimes.com/article/2f95ec8e-e58a-4dae-9a4b-47dd9ffd272e?shareToken=0160367a6ba2b746d213489dd0bc282c&ver=article

' Over the summer Frieze saw the Greens for Palestine group decide on a railroading approach. “It was all over their Instagram, X and Bluesky, their rallying cries, to join the Green Party and vote to turn us into the only specifically ‘non-Zionist’ party,” she says.'

Edit - sorry this quote is from the second article, interviewing Andrée Frieze

'“I honestly don’t know how the Green Party goes forward from here. Zack, the four MPs who spoke against the motion, Baroness Jenny Jones in the House of Lords — they’re all going to tie themselves in knots trying to stay on top of a party which is no longer running on Green Party values. Which has been hijacked and radicalised into something that most of the 250,000 members of the party wouldn’t even recognise, with its suppression of free thought, its incitement of hatred and its divergence from the core platforms of the environment and social justice.'

Quite.

I'm gutted by this latest insanity. I belong to Green Women's Declaration and I received emails from them before the Conference, inviting attendance. They were circumspect, but fairly optimistic about their presence there being agreed.

Now this. What gives them the right to interfere in this way, this anti-democratic, extremist, shouting-down-the-voices-of-reason way? They're fucked now.

Absolute arseholes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckm23709pjz7o

'The Green Party member behind a motion which declared Zionism to be racism was named in court documents as a "close friend" of a man who was jailed after being accused of plotting a suicide bomb attack at Heathrow Airport.
Lubna Speitan, a British-Palestinian artist, proposed the Green conference motion defining Zionism as an ideology supporting "an ethnonationalist Jewish state".
Court documents from 2015 show she offered to testify as a defence witness in the trial of Minh Quang Pham, who was jailed for 40 years in the US after pleading guilty to supporting al-Qaeda. He denied planning a suicide attack.'

https://x.com/chalavyishmael/status/1981410506305904690

'Lubna Speitan on the streets of London: "Yes, we are antisemitic terrorists and we wear that as a badge of honour!"'

Do you think they'll carry on trying or leave in despair and disgust? I couldn't have persisted as long.

From this video:

'we have a right to resist. By any means necessary, including the armed struggle, and I defend that right, we will continue to fight for that right'.

They've been determined to have their voice. I can't see them giving up yet ... at least, I don't want them to give up. But the Greens have gone over the edge now. So who knows.

https://x.com/habibi_uk/status/2083266574559891649

https://x.com/treesey/status/2106997941420347874

'“We will continue until we dismantle Zionism from the world, from every country. They will be shunned and that time will come when they are hunted in the same way as the Nazi oppressors were…It won’t happen without force…” Green Party member & motion proposer Lubna Speitan'

She speaks with the passion of madness.

Yes. Startling to watch. I suppose it's just zealotry.

I don't think I'll believe that this isn't what the members expected until we see if they membership numbers radically fall or they find away to reverse it and expell the bigots.

I'd like to believe it, but the last 3 years have included too many instances where people have quietly sided with the extremists.

Polanski suggests Greens angry at Zionism stance should ‘get over themselves’

You really have to hand it to ZP. His ability to articulate the nuance in a situation and bring out a sophisticated solution is second to none. I’m sure he’d like all the st pancreas and Holborn voters to get over it. Quickly.

But my god, if he does get elected MP, that’s it. I’m giving up on British politics forever.

We will out what people think in Holborn on Thursday. If Labour win by a big margin it will be significant. Likewise if the Greens comes close or even win.

The fall out from all this however could stretch over far longer time.

I think we are looking at a realigning of British politics. Look at this.

Reports that all five current Green party MPs in the UK Parliament are, to quote,
"Considering their position within the Green Party".

Even if the policy is reversed, it will wreck or split the party in the process. It is the Your party debacle all over again. Only this time with a party that controls a number of councils.

Obviously in this situation those who warned against this will gain ground. This will benefit either the Tories, Reform, or Labour. Possibly even the Lib Dems who could hover up more moderate Green votes.

There are rumours the Lib Dems are courting Green MPs to switch as well.