Sexism/Racism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 4

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RedToothBrush · Yesterday 20:39

We are going to need at least another 40 pages about this shit show of an anti-Semitic woman hating party...

We started these threads back in May 2025. It keeps getting worse.

You know when you watch a drama and it starts by being comic, then gets darker and darker. The threads started with the rise of Zack Polanski aka Hypno Boobs, Water Titty, ZPy before he became leader watching as he got elected in September 2, 2025.

The Hypnoboobs scandal was of course kind of funny, but what was very revealing was his attempt to paint it as a plot by the media against him. It was gradually revealed he used the drama to his advantage to advertise his business and he did claim to have weird powers over boobs from BBC footage.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

It wasn't just he lied. humans and especially politicians do that. It is rather he refused to take responsibility, and ducked out. He has kept doing it again and again. Exaggerations and lies over claiming support from charities, ducking out of paying taxes, talking over women saying they don't deserve sports or any spaces, about why he swapped from Lib Dem to being Green . It is all very similar to the way many behave particularly blokes from other political parties.

Now the crazy anti Semitism within the party has been growing and ZP has failed to stop it. He did try to block it behind the scenes, but was very reluctant to face it head on. This cumulated in the Greens Conference 2006, when ZP failed to fight against the racist anti-Zionist motion in person. Instead he went to campaign in London for the byelection. Meanwhile guess what the fight back was lead mostly by 4 of the 5 Green MPs, mostly women.

Looking back at the last thread the horror is everything we predicted has come to pass. This is what headed the last thread in May 2006.
Now in the last week or so after a longstanding spate of anti-Semitic rhetoric from some Greens during the election campaign and ZP downplaying it. We have synagogues, schools, ambulances attacked, two Jewish people dead and ZP berating unarmed police for risking their lives in fighting a violent killer who was still armed with a knife things have come to a crisis point.
The Greens are becoming ever more sinister with dozens of candidates sounding like they are seventies NF supporters with comments about uppity women and Jewish power.

The October Conference 2026 was as dark as predicted. The racism was crazy. They banned the words mum and dad. Apparently women have to dress modestly to win Muslim votes. Not only was Green's Women's Declaration banned, but some Greens have now decided that women's biology is so icky they protest talks about it.
https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-16181937/Trans-Green-women-event-female-health.html

Besides ZPy, we also have documented Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it. He has always had a issues with encouraging racist violence and one look at his wife shows what he thinks about women. He is also a landlord in a party which is supposedly anti landlord. Ali has been very loud talking about how bad racism is, but also loves being racist.

The other deputy leader Rachel Millward represents the posh rich faction of the Greens who manages to sounded like Reform when opposing Asylum Seekers in her area, but at the same time saying we are too harsh on immigrants in general. Obviously she also doesn't believe women are a thing. She also is a landlord as well, or rather her partner is. Yet she is the least crazy when violence and racism is concerned compared to ZP, and Mothin.

All of these people are up for re-election in 2027. The drama will be epic.

The media is paying increasing attention to what Mumsnet have been noting for ages. Mumsnet was there during the Challenor scandal which showed how awful the Greens anti-women rhetoric could be.

The Greens control Bristol where they face legal action from women for trying to silence them
https://www.localgovernmentlawyer.co.uk/governance/396-governance-news/99477-gender-critical-campaigners-launch-judicial-review-proceedings-over-council-chamber-ban

Their sexist nonsense has also raised protests in Hackney under the control of Zoe Garbbett with effigies of Andy Burnham being burned.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5527195-zoe-garbett-green-mayor-for-hackney?page=1

Women being silenced in Green controlled Haringey
https://www.gbnews.com/news/trans-row-activists-heckle-abuse-labour-councillor

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration, https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ continues and they are now taking the Greens to court for banning them from the conference twice for being women. The court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing, both getting through legal delaying tactics as they move to trial. Gardening is needed. These cases if successful could be dramatic in their impact.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of ZP and lots of other scandal May 2025
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Second Thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2?

Third thread - the run up to the Greens Conference in October 2026
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5524462-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-3

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their sexist/racist drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology and women/gays enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

Well, we've had the thoughts of the GPEW's leader.

"Zack Polanski has said he will not accept anyone being excluded from the Green Party "because of the religious or communal body they are part of", after members adopted a motion declaring Zionism a form of racism.

The Green leader said "no-one will be made unwelcome because of their background, their faith, or where they worship"."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjy56yxxwy3po

And what are you going to do about it, Zippy?

Shall we talk about Lubna Speitan?

She has interesting friends.

https://www.courthousenews.com/family-of-accusedmilitant-cant-testify/

The British wife, sister, close friend, former boss and mental health counselor of an accused al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula militant cannot boost his insanity defense via closed-circuit TV testimony from across the pond, a federal judge ruled. Arrested earlier this year, Minh Quang Pham plans to tell a jury that he has bipolar disorder to escape charges of aiding the U.S.-designated terrorist group at his trial on Feb. 1. Nearly four years ago, British authorities searching Pham at Heathrow International Airport found armor-piercing ammunition associated with a Kalashnikov rifle, according to his indictment. Pham is believed to have later returned to Yemen, where a government informant claims to have spotted him with two well-known propagandists behind Inspire, a glossy magazine associated with al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula. The informant claimed to have spotted him with the author of “I Am Proud to be a Traitor to America,” an article associated with Pakistani-American Samir Khan, who was killed in a drone strike with New Mexico-born militant Anwar al-Awlaki. Four people close to Pham paint a very different picture of the Vietnamese Brit accused of turning to al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, according to a Dec. 4 order. Huyan Pham, his sister, says she remembers her brother as “a passive individual [who] never expressed any interest in committing violence or terrorism” and had an “interest in creating a peaceful Muslim Village,” court records show. Unable to obtain a visa to travel to the United States, Pham says that she wants to boost her brother’s defense with “testimony concerning mental disorders of family members and physical and emotional abuse sustained,” the order states. Pham’s wife Eema Nawaz requested safe passage to travel to the United States to testify on behalf of her husband. His close friend Lubna Speitan claimed to have a medical condition preventing her from air travel, and his former boss Bola Sobowale did not respond to the court’s attempts to reach her to discuss the possibility of testifying. Mental health professional Rachel Thomas insisted generally that her commitments to her unspecified clinic would keep her too busy to travel to Manhattan Federal Court.

Spoiler. He plead guilty and was sentenced to 44 years.

That's the same Lubna who is on video saying that Zionists should be hunted down. And is in another video where the person sat next to her talks about liberal zionists as demonic whilst she (literally) nods along (actual quote here is way worse).

Interesting she has a medical condition that prevents her from flying to the United States. I wonder what that might be.

Is Speitan the ex YP entryist?

Hard to keep up with the galloping multidirectional clusterfuck that is the current GPEW.

Yes she is.

I should add link to this NYT article about the same story in which she's mentioned.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/04/nyregion/al-qaeda-london-heathrow-bomb-plot.html

This isn't a twitter rumour. It's a full on verifiable story. (I read stuff on twitter and then back sourced it precisely because I read it and went what the actual fuck).

The videos of her and three others people discussing the matter last night were unreal enough but to see this story.

I mean we've all got close mates banged up for 44 years for links with al Qaeda as well as being caught having military grade equipment don't we? Totally bloody normal.

The Green Party is so utterly fucked and I do wonder how this is now going to unravel.

US will make ‘representations’ about Greens’ Zionism policy
The Trump administration will be making “representations” to the UK over the Green Party passing a motion declaring that “Zionism is racism
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/zack-polanski-zionism-racism-green-party-leader-56k7bb9nv
Is this what Zpy thinks or just him sharing random stuff online. Who can tell?
Polanski suggests Greens angry at Zionism stance should ‘get over themselves’
Zack Polanski liked a social media post that said people who disliked the Green Party’s “Zionism is racism” motion should “get over yourselves and move on”…
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/10/05/chief-rabbi-green-zionism-policy-is-threat-to-britain/
Even The Scottish Greens are little less racist than GEWP if you can fumble through the verbiage in the link. Still pretty awful though
The SNP interestingly is not as horrified at this as other parties saying they don't agree and saying conferences shouldn't debate this stuff.
Scottish Greens respond as backlash grows over Zionism racism motion
First Minister Swinney argued that it isn't the place of political party conferences to set definitions of what constitutes racism.
"I don't agree with the position that was arrived at by the Green Party in England and Wales, and I think we should just stick to the legal definitions of racism," he told PA.
“There's a very well-established set of definitions in law of what constitutes racism, so I don't think it's for party political conferences to decide what and what is not racism."
https://www.thenational.scot/news/26607654.scottish-greens-say-modern-zionism-led-palestinian-genocide/

Exclusive: Labour MPs report the Green party to the police
More than a dozen Labour MPs have reported the Green party to Sussex police and the EHRC over its ‘Zionism is racism’ policy, The Spectator can reveal.
Zack Polanski’s party was plunged deeper into crisis this afternoon after politicians, led by former Home Office minister Mike Tapp and Labour Friends of Israel chair, Mark Sewards, urged police in Brighton to examine whether events at the Green conference may have crossed into criminally actionable racial or religious hatred against Jewish people.
The MPs point to delegates chanting ‘say it loud, say it clear, Zionists are not welcome here’ as a potential legal flashpoint, questioning whether the term ‘Zionist’ was being used as a proxy for Jewish people. They have asked Sussex police to examine whether the Public Order Act may have been breached.
https://spectator.com/article/exclusive-labour-mps-report-the-green-party-to-the-police/

I've copied Libby1233455 from thread 3 because it's an interesting part of the debate. I may not be allowed to do this but.......
I find it naïve in the extreme. Palestinians do not want a 2 state solution, they want the annihilation of Jews. No if's no buts. If you are happy with the real genocide of a race, then that's entirely up to you. The Palastinians are not experiencing genocide, the conditions are really awful but the population in Gaza is increasing. When the jews lived through their genocide, their population never recovered, 6 million is a very big number of not just jews but gay people. Continue with your views but at least do some real research

Libby1233455 · Today 08:59
This thread (and preceding threads) are absolutely unbelievable. like some sort of weird twisted dystopia.
One party wants a state where everyone is equal, the other side wants two states (or worse, one state where Palestinians no longer exist or exist in very small numbers).
In one of those two states (which by the way was built on the other sides land after violently ousting them and continuing to oust and kill them and their children in subsequent years), there are concerted, institutionalised efforts to keep it mono-racial.
And yet… the side that wants the state where everyone is equal is being accused of racism??!!!
Jesus bloody wept.
I don’t necessarily agree with this motion, but the comments saying the people who voted this through are the types of people who wouldn’t shield Anne Frank are way off the mark.
Conversely, they are the ones (who by the way in Germany and similar situations were/are in the minority and who were often mocked [as is happening in this thread toward greens]) who WOULD have shielded her, precisely because they are the people who stand up for the oppressed WHEREVER they are and WHOMEVER they are being oppressed by.
And before anyone mentions Sudan, ask yourself why you’re so interested in using Sudan to justify mass murder of innocent civilians in Palestine.

All this shit is why I left when Polanski became leader. I was hopeful for a long time that the many lovely sensible people in the party would be able to take back the party from the extremists, but I don't think they can come back from this. They're too far gone.
And it is such a shame. We badly need a decent left wing environment party. But the Green Party isn't that and I'm not sure it can be now.

The Green leader said "no-one will be made unwelcome because of their background, their faith, or where they worship"."

You mean nobody will be physically turned away. They've already been made unwelcome.

Jews.
Gender critical women.
Anyone who believes that all election material should be available with an English translation.
I'm sure there are others ???

'the Greens Conference 2006'

There might be a date error in the OP.
Thanks for the new thread. 💐

I saw the last one ended awash with Pally Propaganda and a bona fide useful idiot spouting claptrap, their ignorance on full display, before they stropped off. Wow 😲

The Greens have undoubtedly been subjected to entryism, but I think it's pushing it to suggest this is a new problem

"Jewish Chronicle readers will also be familiar with Ms Bartolotti’s role in the “dual loyalty” row over Britain’s first Jewish ambassador to Israel, Matthew Gould.

When she was arrested during the “flytilla” demonstration against Israel’s blockade of Gaza, she questioned Mr Gould’s independence and objected to being represented by a member of the UK diplomatic staff with a Jewish name.

She told this paper last December: “I questioned the wisdom of having a Jewish Zionist ambassador in Israel and stated that their loyalty was a matter for the FCO to investigate.”"

https://www.thejc.com/opinion/analysis/beware-the-woman-who-bids-to-lead-the-greens-h43dejx9

Has the Doom Goblin chipped in yet, the environment and Jew hating is her thing, I'd have thought she'd be all over this by now.

If we take at face value the suggestion from the Green MPs that they had no way of stopping the motion, with enough organisation would it be possible to pass a motion in favour of fracking?

Most Palestinians favour a two state solution.

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/palestinian-territories/palestinians-want-two-state-solution-gaza-israel-amaney-jamal

'...many Palestinians have a clear and realistic vision for the future. Far more of them support a two-state option than any other potential resolution. And Gazans, despite having borne the brunt of destruction over the past three years, tend to be the most pragmatic: an even greater proportion of them are open to a two-state solution than are Palestinians living in the West Bank, and half of Gazans would back Arab states’ normalization of diplomatic ties with Israel as long as the process includes tangible progress toward Palestinian self-determination. Palestinians’ confidence in both Hamas and the Palestinian Authority (PA) has also deeply eroded; they judge that neither faction has secured their safety or improved their lives, and they want political renewal. Strikingly, most Gazans express a wish to stay and help rebuild their devastated homeland rather than emigrate.'

Well. On reading about, it may depend somewhat on the survey, I'm finding various different responses to the question of a two state solution, depending on how the question is framed. This survey didn't include respondents from Gaza.

https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2026/09/15/many-israelis-and-palestinians-say-they-cannot-coexist-peacefully-and-explain-why/

'Only about one-in-five Israelis (17%) and Palestinians (21%) say Israel and a Palestinian state could exist together in peace. Majorities in both places – 56% in Israel and 68% in the West Bank and East Jerusalem – don’t think a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is possible.'

I hope that's accurate, it will be a good if it is, only the useful idiots in the West support Hamas, the average Palestinian seems to think they're a waste of space and would probably have no time for our green Loonies either.
Oops another post snuck in, my response was to the first one.

Well, again, I've seen varying reports on the proportion or strength of Gazan people's support for Hamas.

Ultimately it's an incredibly complex and involved subject with a very long history. The more I learn about it the less I feel I understand it.

But the Green Party appears to not need very much information or context to make extreme proclamations on the issues. Which is either astonishing ignorance, or a case of extremist entryists driving the party, or a mix of both.

Regardless of the opinions of people living in the West Bank and Gaza, the people proposing the motion haven't tried to hide the fact that they want polarisation and believe that moderates are their enemy.

Quite.

A 'one state' solution is ... well, it's beyond extreme. How should I put it. Quite final?

Where do the Green Party propose Jewish people should go?

Except that is not what comes across when people are interviewed on the ground. There is a very interesting you tube channel called 'The Ask Project' which poses all sorts of questions to a wide variety of both Palestinians and Israelis - on the streets, in their workplaces etc.

There is almost a total rejection of the concept of two states -with a one state 'solution' being the usual response from all of the Palestinian interviewees.Children are educated and brought up to believe that all of the land 'from the river to the sea' is theirs. It is a dogmatic and immovable article of faith.

Though, of course, when presented with the reality that Israel exists and its people are goiing nowhere - they have no answers except for " Inshallah".

The way purity spirals work, it's only a matter of time before lubna speitan is accused of being a Mossad deep cover plant.

Where do the Green Party propose Jewish people should go?

I think Your Party saw them as European colonialists so presumably they'd return to the UK and Europe. At which out I'm sure the "refugees are welcome here" mantra would be withdrawn

PMK - I’m ready for the next thrilling instalment of Hypno and Friends. 🍿