Sexism/other issues in the Green party England & Wales - Discussion Thread 3

[fromorbit]

Zack Polanski is making things bigger yet again so another thread needed.

Well things have developed rather a lot since the start. ZP started out as being another sexist guy in politics - no shortage those around, but he thought he could take it to a new level and he proved he could do it.

The Green threads have followed his rise from the start of with the Hypnoboobs scandal and much more. There is also:

Mothin Ali as deputy Leader who clearly doesn't believe in trans thinking, but cleverly sidesteps round talking about it, has always had a issues with encouraging racist violence and is now encouraging people to sue the Green party if they attempt to stop them saying racist stuff.

The other deputy Rachel Millward represents the posh rich faction of the Greens who manages to sounding like Reform when opposing Asylum Seekers in her area, but at the same time saying we are too harsh on immigrants in general. Obviously she also doesn't believe women are a thing. Yet she is the least crazy when violence is concerned compared to ZP, and Mothin.

Hypnoboobs scandal got worse recently when it became clear from BBC footage ZP actively believed in the Hypnoboobs thesis rather than being tricked into it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9enygvezeo

Alongside all this there is constant ongoing attacks on biological reality from the party in interviews and in policy.

Now in the last week or so after a longstanding spate of antisemetic rhetoric from some Greens during the election campaign and ZP downplaying it. We have synagogues, schools, ambulances attacked, two Jewish people dead and ZP berating unarmed police for risking their lives in fighting a violent killer who was still armed with a knife things have come to a crisis point.

The Greens are becoming ever more sinister with dozens of candidates sounding like they are seventies NF supporters with comments about uppity women and Jewish power. The huge drama over a crazy motion which they were trying to pass against Israel at conference alongside a motion to prevent women having sports will surface again their September conference.

It seems likely after next week The Greens are going to be running a bunch of councils which doesn't bode well after their antics in Bristol.

Yet there is hope, in Bristol women are fighting back_: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5455053-bristol-council-is-about-to-be-sued_

The fight back from Green Women's Declaration, ( https://www.greenwomensdeclaration.uk/ ) continues and the court cases against GPEW from Emma Bateman and Shahrar Ali are developing, both getting through legal delaying tactics as they move to trial. Gardening is needed. These cases if successful could be dramatic in their impact.

First thread - where you can follow the rise of ZP and lots of other scandal
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5328986-greens-internal-drama-warms-up

Second Thread:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456759-sexismother-issues-in-the-green-party-england-wales-discussion-thread-2?

Note the Scottish Greens which are a separate party to the Green Party England/Wales have their own thread for all their sexist drama. They split off because GPEW didn't hate biology and women/gays enough at the time.
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again?page=1

Thanks Orbit.

I think this is a more up to date thread for the Scottish Greens. The other one filled up.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5313420-scottish-greens-being-sexist-again

Baroness Faulkner talking about intolerance against Jewish people sounds eerily similar to another issue…. Moreover, our public institutions, the police, the Crown Prosecution Service, the NHS and education are among those where political ideology has taken over and must be rooted out.

What is in the water of the UK that we have so many crazy politicians and so many crazy voters?

Interview in the Times.
"Polanski’s politics are unquestionably bold. His strategy is to publicise policies not directly related to environmentalism, on the grounds that voters already know about his party’s green agenda."
I have to admit that I don't know what their environmental policies are, not convinced Zack knows them either.
https://www.thetimes.com/article/d21dfdab-85e1-460e-a7f4-c4d081681cf8?shareToken=fce5e4efe1f9d04f8ab86d8851f80957&ver=article

I don't think anyone can believe a word he says.

@The Green Party in government will:
Implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration
Treat all migrants as if they are citizens
Give all residents the right to vote
Help families to be together
Dismantle the Home Office
Abolish the No Recourse to Public Funds condition
Abolish the ten year route to settlement'
Thats bold! 😂

Thats written by someone who just trying to annoy their dad.

https://archive.ph/I8dUX

Muttering about Mothin Ali's lack of support for the LGBTQ is increasing. Peter Tatchell has called for him to make a statement.

Hadley in the Times today:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/63ae492e-713a-438a-ac33-68b4e839a897?shareToken=07639b598e1289afd85d4f81b39e4165&ver=article

Guardian

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/02/inside-green-party-antisemitism-struggle-israel-palestine

"..Membership in England and Wales passed 200,000 in March after the Greens overturned a huge Labour majority in the Gorton and Denton byelection, and is now beyond 220,000.

With that growth has come a repetition of the dynamic that vexed Corbyn’s Labour party. To critics in both eras, support for Palestinian rights has sometimes been thoughtlessly muddled with generalised attacks that seem to apply to Jews writ large – or, worse, have acted as a disguise for straightforwardly bigoted views.

Against that argument is the view of many of those whose support has shifted from Corbyn to Polanski: that the problem of antisemitism in their movements has been deliberately exaggerated by their enemies for political gain.

They may point, for example, to news coverage such as a story in the Daily Mail quoting members of Polanski’s extended family saying he is “the leader of the future Islamic party of Britain” and warning that the Greens are “the most antisemitic party in British history”. Polanski said the people quoted in the piece were “random ‘anon’ relatives”, and that those to whom he was closehad refused to talk to the newspaper.."

..... quoting members of Polanski’s extended family saying he is “the leader of the future Islamic party of Britain”

For now, should they succeed in getting into power, I imagine he'd be first against the wall.

There are plenty of women hating women, I should imagine jew hating jews are also possible.

The world is full of useful idiots.

Antisemitism on the left has been around for a very long time, and you don't have to have read Robert Wistrich on its history to see that it's never gone away. Leftists have become very skilled at unseeing this because they've convinced themselves that antisemitism is by definition a right wing phenomenon. [1]

I think a breaking point for me was Corbyn's leadership of Labour, specifically the Luciana Berger affair. (I'm not close to Luciana but we have mutuals, so I knew lots of the detail.) I witnessed Lindsey German, who is not a stupid woman, tie herself in rhetorical knots to deny that Corbyn or his supporters had anything to do with this: you see, all the threats and antisemitic abuse directed at Berger came from the far right, while Corbyn fans were only criticising her disloyalty to Dear Leader. Lindsey had her narrative and by jingo she was going to push it no matter how distant from the truth it was.

I watched Corbynite ganzer macher James Meadway, also not a stupid person, spend years not only denying there was antisemitism in Labour, but loudly mocking anyone who said there was. As soon as Corbyn was gone and Starmer was leader, he was offering himself as an honest broker who could sort out the party's antisemitism problem. Now he's in the Greens, establishing himself as one of Zack's policy guys.

Let's not forget all the Palestine marches they have been on, where they can't have failed to hear Muslim crowds doing the Khaybar chant, and I don't believe for an instant that experienced political operators like Corbyn and McDonnell and Abbott and John Rees don't know exactly what that means.

I can't tell you how much contempt I feel for a lot of these people. I know it's natural to want to downplay the problems in your political tribe, but blatantly lying about it for years is another thing.

This is getting to be a serious problem for the Greens, with their influx of Momentum types adding to the cranky fringe the party already had, and I don't think Zack has much space left where he can claim to be naive rather than dishonest.

And of course they'll come after him in the end.

[1] There is also antisemitism on the right of course - it's very easy to find on X, particularly among Rupert Lowe supporters, and (thinly veiled) among the young men he's hired to run his party. I'm not sure what will happen when they discover what a massive Israel supporter Rupert is.

I'm wondering if all this, plus Reform's inability to choose candidates that as soon as night follows day aren't shown to be two sandwiches short of a picnic, will lead to business as usual at the next GE, we'll naturally gravitate back to 2 to 3-party politics.
Remember, at the height of FarageMania, 2015, 2019 and 2024, he's never picked up more than 4.5m votes, and the Greens likely will implode before threatening any genuine breakthru.
Maybe the smart money should be on voters getting fed up with both insurgent parties and resorting to normal, Tory v Labour with a side order of LDs, SNP.

I see that James Meadway is soon on Novara to give us his hot take on Reform and the Greens replacing the Uniparty.
I'll take anything this mouthpiece for Polanski and Corbyn says under massive advisement.

“The Green Party leader tells Trevor Phillips that even if pro-Palestinian marches make Jewish people feel unsafe, that doesn't mean marches "actually" make them unsafe.“

copied and pasted from Sky News app. Do you think he applies that argument to Tra when they claim transgender people feel unsafe?

"from the River to the Sea" and "globalize the Intifada" could never make any Jew feel unsafe. Whatever they might say.
Whereas "biological men should be allowed in women's prisons and sport" is a guaranteed to make TRAs feel unsafe. Because they say so.

*damn typos
"biological men shouldn't be allowed in women's prisons and sport"

https://x.com/i/status/2050878714330620321

God, I love this woman

Owen Jones has been refusing to see antisemitism for years, and is now hypersensitive to it when someone criticises his party leader.

Where was he when Luciana Berger was under attack? He was part of the mob, that's where.

From the BBC article today:

Polanski said he did not agree with Sir Keir's view before saying he would "discourage" the use of the phrase but he is "not interested in trying to police people's language". He added: "I think it's important that we make sure that we have freedom of speech in this country and freedom of protest."

Except that he is very much interested in policing people’s language. One clear example being TWAW or you’re out of the Green party.

The more he speaks, the more he’s going to end up tying himself in knots justifying his position and his party’s position, neither of which is based in logic. His immersive acting can take him only so far. Useful idiot indeed.

Trevor Phillips interviews Polanski

It's interesting, I was just looking for a youtube of this morning's Kuenssberg/Polanski interview. There are many videos, here are some of the headlines:

Zack Polanski NAILS Laura K Interview

Zack Polanski's explains to Laura Kuenssberg the difference between one million and one billion

Zack Polanski SLAMS Labour on Laura Kuenssberg Show

Laura Kuenssberg Gets SILENCED After Zack Polanski Drops Brutal Facts On LIVE TV!

Zack Polanski COOKS Laura Kuenssberg LIVE On TV

These all seem to be videos from lefty bros.

The language of violence, gleefully reporting that a man NAILS or SLAMS or COOKS a woman is unmistakable, to me.

Anyway. Just an observation.

And I also think that although the suggestion is that Philips and Kuenssberg were supposed to be presenting really hard, super challenging interviews, they didn't.

They made some soft feints and then stepped back and allowed Polanski to deliver his weak ass homilies.

It all looks pretty bullshit to me.

Issued in a joint statement by the 'Ministry for Silly Walks' and the 'Department of Free Ice Cream' . 🙄

This. Absolutely this.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy, that Zack.
Zack knew full well what tiger he was riding.
He was happy to open up anti Semitism and extreme entryism in the party so he could succeed politically where Corbyn just failed, while using his Jewish identity as a badge of honour.
Nicola Sturgeon, Theresa May and Penny Mordaunt were happy to weaponise gender self ID while claiming as women they'd never put women at risk.
Now he's being confronted with the zero sum situation of opening this Pandora's Box, bringing it into the heart of a previously very peaceful party, trying to play both sides at the same time (" I'm a Jew and abhor anti Semitism, but also Jews are playing up their perception of (anti) safety".
The coward playing the game of politics in the way he decries others on the right for playing.

This article from the G is from 2018, I wonder if they'd print such an article now-a-days.

"The origins of today’s crisis in Labour date back to the 19th century, and ever since Jews have been seen as a problem by a strain of socialist thought"

The shame of antisemitism on the left has a long, malign history | Philip Spencer | The Guardian

The Greens seem to have inherited a lot of Labours antisemites, although there's still plenty left in the Labour Party, if you add in militant Muslims and you've got one hell of a nasty party.

"Not content with accusing Israel of being like apartheid South Africa, it is supposedly guilty of genocide itself… against the Palestinians."