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Article on the threat to UK women from Afghan immigrants

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SwirlyGates · 17/08/2026 10:41

"The statistics clearly show that Afghan nationals pose a disproportionate threat when it comes to sex offences. Last year, Sky News’s data and forensics unit – using annual population survey data from 2021 and Met Police figures – found that, for Afghan nationals, there were 59.2 sexual offence charges per 10,000 across England and Wales. The corresponding figure for UK nationals was 2.7 offences per 10,000 people."

https://www.spiked-online.com/2026/08/17/we-need-to-talk-about-afghan-sex-offenders/

The Spiked article actually misrepresents the Sky article, which does a deeper dive into the data and concludes "Our estimates conclude that Afghans are closer to three times more likely to be convicted of a sexual offence than someone born in the UK". NB though age is mentioned, i.e. recent migrants are more likely to be young and criminally active, neither seem to analyse sex, though it is mentioned in Farage's figures - there must be more male immigrants than female; presumably this has been taken into account?

More and more I find the threat, especially to women, troublesome and worrying. To generalise, the Left view all immigration as all fine and dandy; the Right disagree and want it reduced or stopped. On the other hand, Burnham's proposal to place asylum seekers in middle-class areas implicitly shows that he knows that they are problematic: "We cannot have a situation where it's only the poorest communities in the country that receive all of the dispersal of refugees and asylum seekers." If the refugees and asylum seekers are beneficial to the UK, which is promoted as the Left-wing view, then he would be saying that the rich/middle class areas will benefit from his plans, rather than saying they need to share the burden. "Blackpool, and other communities ... have had to take more than their fair share of asylum seekers," she [immigration minister Anna Turley] added. "That's put a huge burden on local communities and created real civil unrest." www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c204d4z1gg8o

TL:DR Are male immigrants, especially illegal ones, a particular threat to women, and if so what can be done?

We need to talk about Afghan sex offenders

Welcoming unvetted men into Britain from a deeply misogynistic culture is putting women at risk.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2026/08/17/we-need-to-talk-about-afghan-sex-offenders/

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womendeserveequalhumanrights · 17/08/2026 19:37

Bringemout · 17/08/2026 19:30

I know people with ptsd from being in a civil war, never raped anyone. Falling over yourself to excuse rape is foul. No-one is responsible for a rapists behaviour other than the rapist. Many people have had awful experiences and then don’t harm anyone.

This is frankly grotesque.

Well said.

It is difficult to know if it's satire. It's hard to believe anyone could truly hold these opinions and also show so little care for the human rights of women and girls.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/08/2026 19:40

I think there are words other than “satire” which fit the bill.

GrumpyPanda · 17/08/2026 19:45

We need some objective research. For instance, in Germany there is a high crime rate from people coming from Morocco. Apparently that's because those people are mostly young men coming from a gang culture, so they were criminals before they emigrated, rather than being average Moroccans.

@Redintoothandclaw

German here. Haven't seen the stats but this certainly tallies with what I've read anecdotally - not just Morocco but the Maghreb countries in general. This is exactly the group that was behind the Cologne New Year's incident; local police have dubbed them "Nafris," short for "Nordafrikanische Intensivtäter" (North African Repeat Offenders).

To solve this problem, there's a lot to be said for liberalizing rather than restricting labour immigration from these countries to follow the policy applied to Balkan countries for several years now, i.e. temporary admission for the purpose of finding work. In return, their home countries would finally be incentivized (and obliged!) to take back these undesirables, since so far, understandably, they aren't exactly cooperating with expulsions.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 17/08/2026 19:53

GrumpyPanda · 17/08/2026 19:45

We need some objective research. For instance, in Germany there is a high crime rate from people coming from Morocco. Apparently that's because those people are mostly young men coming from a gang culture, so they were criminals before they emigrated, rather than being average Moroccans.

@Redintoothandclaw

German here. Haven't seen the stats but this certainly tallies with what I've read anecdotally - not just Morocco but the Maghreb countries in general. This is exactly the group that was behind the Cologne New Year's incident; local police have dubbed them "Nafris," short for "Nordafrikanische Intensivtäter" (North African Repeat Offenders).

To solve this problem, there's a lot to be said for liberalizing rather than restricting labour immigration from these countries to follow the policy applied to Balkan countries for several years now, i.e. temporary admission for the purpose of finding work. In return, their home countries would finally be incentivized (and obliged!) to take back these undesirables, since so far, understandably, they aren't exactly cooperating with expulsions.

If the local police said North African Repeat Offenders in front of senior police management, or on the record publically, they'd be out of jobs faster than they could say "but I'm not racist"

SwirlyGates · 17/08/2026 19:59

@Grammarnut that is horrendous for your brother's friend, then your brother, and of course the families involved. I'm so sorry for you all. Women are the highest profile victims because of sexual assaults, and perhaps we forget that men have been victims too.

There is a lot to unpack in this. I'm in favour of Afghan men who helped the British army being given residency here, and I thought it was shocking when at one point they were being denied this. On the other hand, the rapist whose photo graces the Spiked article is one of these men. (He is now at risk of deportation - why on earth did he take the risk of being sent back? Arrogance? Just couldn't help himself? Maybe he thought a quick rape in the bushes was worth ruining his life for?)

And Rhiannon Whyte, murdered by an asylum seeker in the hotel where she worked - just why? He was "later caught on CCTV dancing and laughing". I've never seen any reason given for his actions. By the way, he was one who seemingly lied about his age - said he was 17 but more likely to be around 27. An absolute psycho who should have been sent back as soon as he set foot on these shores.

Yes, many of these men are traumatised, but we need to protect the citizens of this country. We don't have enough mental health support for current citizens, never mind trying to fix broken people from dangerous or lawless countries, or from war zones. Afghanistan is not the only problematic place - Somalia, Sudan and others get less press but are no better. "Every day, when people go to the market, there are four or five cases of rape...When we go to the farm, this happens. Men, they will cover their heads, and they will rape women… There is no way to stop the rapes. The only way is to try to stay home."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ywgn2n3nqo

As for educating these men in the ways of British life, well I don't believe there is any country in the world where rape or murder is thought to be acceptable. Nobody needs to be told this.

Thank you for all your posts. It's actually difficult to talk about this in real life without being labelled a racist.

Women carrying firewood at Al Afad camp which hosts displaced people from the Darfur and Kurdufan regions

Sudan conflict: Sexual violence part of 'everyday life' in parts of the country, charity says

Victims describe how they have been targeted while carrying out everyday activities.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ywgn2n3nqo

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Heggettypeg · 17/08/2026 20:03

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 17/08/2026 19:37

Well said.

It is difficult to know if it's satire. It's hard to believe anyone could truly hold these opinions and also show so little care for the human rights of women and girls.

I suspect it's not satire. It's a type.
The anti-carceral, "white women who are raped by black men shouldn't report it because the criminal justice system is racist" type. (That one was Sally Hines, I think.)
The "what happened on October 7 was sort of okay because Hamas were provoked" type. We've seen that enough times.
Any amount of empathy for the "right" kind of men, but a real hard spot when it comes to caring about the "wrong" kind of women who are their victims.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 17/08/2026 20:07

SwirlyGates · 17/08/2026 19:59

@Grammarnut that is horrendous for your brother's friend, then your brother, and of course the families involved. I'm so sorry for you all. Women are the highest profile victims because of sexual assaults, and perhaps we forget that men have been victims too.

There is a lot to unpack in this. I'm in favour of Afghan men who helped the British army being given residency here, and I thought it was shocking when at one point they were being denied this. On the other hand, the rapist whose photo graces the Spiked article is one of these men. (He is now at risk of deportation - why on earth did he take the risk of being sent back? Arrogance? Just couldn't help himself? Maybe he thought a quick rape in the bushes was worth ruining his life for?)

And Rhiannon Whyte, murdered by an asylum seeker in the hotel where she worked - just why? He was "later caught on CCTV dancing and laughing". I've never seen any reason given for his actions. By the way, he was one who seemingly lied about his age - said he was 17 but more likely to be around 27. An absolute psycho who should have been sent back as soon as he set foot on these shores.

Yes, many of these men are traumatised, but we need to protect the citizens of this country. We don't have enough mental health support for current citizens, never mind trying to fix broken people from dangerous or lawless countries, or from war zones. Afghanistan is not the only problematic place - Somalia, Sudan and others get less press but are no better. "Every day, when people go to the market, there are four or five cases of rape...When we go to the farm, this happens. Men, they will cover their heads, and they will rape women… There is no way to stop the rapes. The only way is to try to stay home."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ywgn2n3nqo

As for educating these men in the ways of British life, well I don't believe there is any country in the world where rape or murder is thought to be acceptable. Nobody needs to be told this.

Thank you for all your posts. It's actually difficult to talk about this in real life without being labelled a racist.

100% agree with you. It's hard enough to deal with our own boys coming back from war zones when they fall out of the forces, yet somehow we're gonna successfully integrate foreign men from the worst countries. Naivity is off the scale.

NorthernPaws · 17/08/2026 20:07

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 17/08/2026 19:21

I believe the numbers of Afghans helping the British Army was way smaller than we've been led to believe. Multiples more conned their way into the relocation policy over here. People lied to get here, and we're to believe the vast majority were ever going to be good citizens.

Do you have any evidence for that belief? I find that hard to believe, as the Afghans on the relocation programme who I have met have been given a lot of support (which would have been very costly for the government) in terms of housing and practical support for the whole family who arrived together, which includes quite a large number of children in some of the families. So the Afghan relocation programme was very different to the experience of those who have arrived on boats as asylum seekers. Surely to be accepted onto the Afghan relocation program there would need to be clear evidence that the British Army were confident that they had worked together.

amber763 · 17/08/2026 20:08

GreySkySummer · 17/08/2026 13:03

I work with many asylum seekers from Somalia and Afghanistan. They are all severely traumatised. The immigration system does not treat them with any humanity at all- it is not surprising the crime rate is higher in this group- why act with humanity when you’re not treated with it.

I also expect someone from Somalia would be much much more likely to be convicted that a white English man

Honestly, I don't care anymore about their trauma. I did, but not now. They need to go.

GrumpyPanda · 17/08/2026 20:11

Kingdomofsleep · 17/08/2026 17:23

Ceuta is an interesting example of what happens when we don't give irregular arrivals ample free housing and food. (In their case this was because the resources got overwhelmed.) The thousands that arrived, nearly all left again.

I'm proposing that that could work here; obviously I wouldn't want anyone to starve but they should be charged money for their upkeep. If they can't afford it initially, it should be a debt to be worked off, by, well, working.

What happened in Ceuta was a bit more than not providing "ample free housing and food". From the reports, there was no food available for love OR money because essentially all local stores went into lockdown.

EmeraldRoulette · 17/08/2026 20:13

@SwirlyGates “well I don't believe there is any country in the world where rape or murder is thought to be acceptable”

Um….I think you need to look into that.

SockPlant · 17/08/2026 20:17

GreySkySummer · 17/08/2026 13:03

I work with many asylum seekers from Somalia and Afghanistan. They are all severely traumatised. The immigration system does not treat them with any humanity at all- it is not surprising the crime rate is higher in this group- why act with humanity when you’re not treated with it.

I also expect someone from Somalia would be much much more likely to be convicted that a white English man

i find it hard to care, tbh, one jot at the "plight" of men from Afghanistan.

SockPlant · 17/08/2026 20:31

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 17/08/2026 19:21

I believe the numbers of Afghans helping the British Army was way smaller than we've been led to believe. Multiples more conned their way into the relocation policy over here. People lied to get here, and we're to believe the vast majority were ever going to be good citizens.

hasn't one just been jailed for quite a long stretch for rape?

I am actually (despite what i said upthread) not against giving asylum seekers a home. But a secure one and not just dumped somewhere with no facilities, and in a number that overwhelms local services.

I would also be very much in favour of us applying the laws we already have that allow us to deport people who commit certain crimes, after serving their sentence. (or instead of their sentence, tbh)

White british men are of course a massive danger to women. I would like to see the laws we have applied to them too. Consistently. But two things can be true at the same time: white british men can be a danger, as can other classes of men.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 17/08/2026 20:34

NorthernPaws · 17/08/2026 20:07

Do you have any evidence for that belief? I find that hard to believe, as the Afghans on the relocation programme who I have met have been given a lot of support (which would have been very costly for the government) in terms of housing and practical support for the whole family who arrived together, which includes quite a large number of children in some of the families. So the Afghan relocation programme was very different to the experience of those who have arrived on boats as asylum seekers. Surely to be accepted onto the Afghan relocation program there would need to be clear evidence that the British Army were confident that they had worked together.

I recall reading reports at the time that the numbers were in reality not more than 3-5k, and 4x that number came over. Of course now able to access chain migration of extended families over here. The total numbers of personnel incl fake ones, and their families will be 50k+.
Britain is now a laughing stock re our dysfunctional State. Does anyone genuinely believe we weren't taken advantage of, with subsequent chain migration just a joke.

SwirlyGates · 17/08/2026 20:36

@SockPlant what do you consider a long sentence? The taxi driver in Edinburgh got 7 years. It's hard to keep up though, there are so many rapes by asylum seekers in the news, though perhaps not a large number by Afghan men who helped the British army.

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Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 17/08/2026 20:37

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 17/08/2026 16:50

Do we really believe the majority of Afghan men are fleeing their country because in addition to fearing their life, they value women and the Western way of things, and are eager to fit in, learn and crack on?
I venture to suggest that a vast proportion of those men are in danger purely due to inter-tribal rivalries, crime, dishonour. They still support the misogynist culture.
If we really think we're getting "the best of the best", then we must believe we're getting men who in addition to being doctors and engineers, are also good with women's rights, free speech, Western democracy, Enlightenment values.

Quite. They are not the persecuted ones in their country. We don't know why they left, or what persecution if any, they faced. What we do know is that they weren't shut in a house, only leaving once or twice a month, not allowed to speak in public, not allowed to go to school past the age of 12 or married off and repeatedly raped as a child. Because they are men. We don't know who they are. Have they left a wife, sister, mother, daughter to starve to death at home? Did they cheer the Taliban on, knowing what they were like, are they criminals? 50 in every 1000 seem to be rapists. I doubt many of them have much respect for women, having grown up in a country which treats women like chattels.

DebbieSavage · 17/08/2026 20:39

SockPlant · 17/08/2026 20:17

i find it hard to care, tbh, one jot at the "plight" of men from Afghanistan.

Well you should care, because we are going to need all the men we can get from various different countries around the world settled here and handed citizenship if we are to defeat the rise of the far right in the upcoming general elections.

SirenScream · 17/08/2026 20:42

happydappy2 · 17/08/2026 12:37

Its insane that women in Britain are expected to just put up with an influx of men from cultures very very different to out own.....from countries which women most likely would not chose to visit.

I agree.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 17/08/2026 20:44

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 17/08/2026 20:37

Quite. They are not the persecuted ones in their country. We don't know why they left, or what persecution if any, they faced. What we do know is that they weren't shut in a house, only leaving once or twice a month, not allowed to speak in public, not allowed to go to school past the age of 12 or married off and repeatedly raped as a child. Because they are men. We don't know who they are. Have they left a wife, sister, mother, daughter to starve to death at home? Did they cheer the Taliban on, knowing what they were like, are they criminals? 50 in every 1000 seem to be rapists. I doubt many of them have much respect for women, having grown up in a country which treats women like chattels.

I've never understood the vast numbers of unaccompanied men (conservative estimate 80-90%) on boats that have left their women and children (apparently) behind, to (so called) risk death getting here, and then (actually) spend maybe a year or two applying for asylum, to (finally) via chain migration getting their wife and kids (so they say) over here.
So, these war zones are SO dangerous (yes, they are) that the men leave their vulnerable behind (mmm hmm) for a year, two years etc?
Really? REALLY?! (not really).
Or maybe I do understand (yes, I think I do).

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 17/08/2026 20:45

SockPlant · 17/08/2026 20:31

hasn't one just been jailed for quite a long stretch for rape?

I am actually (despite what i said upthread) not against giving asylum seekers a home. But a secure one and not just dumped somewhere with no facilities, and in a number that overwhelms local services.

I would also be very much in favour of us applying the laws we already have that allow us to deport people who commit certain crimes, after serving their sentence. (or instead of their sentence, tbh)

White british men are of course a massive danger to women. I would like to see the laws we have applied to them too. Consistently. But two things can be true at the same time: white british men can be a danger, as can other classes of men.

White British men ( and Black and Brown British men) are of course also a danger to women, and there are more of them, but just allowing hundreds of young men of uncertain character who have been enticed by whatever people traffickers have told them and what they believe about ' free' sex means we have far fewer resources to be able to deal with these people. A large proportion of our prison population is made up of foreign nationals. Our jails are full and we have to let violent criminals out on the street. We can't be a holding cell for the worlds violent men just because ' white men are also violent'.

Desperatelyseekinglazysusan · 17/08/2026 20:53

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 17/08/2026 20:44

I've never understood the vast numbers of unaccompanied men (conservative estimate 80-90%) on boats that have left their women and children (apparently) behind, to (so called) risk death getting here, and then (actually) spend maybe a year or two applying for asylum, to (finally) via chain migration getting their wife and kids (so they say) over here.
So, these war zones are SO dangerous (yes, they are) that the men leave their vulnerable behind (mmm hmm) for a year, two years etc?
Really? REALLY?! (not really).
Or maybe I do understand (yes, I think I do).

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Agree. And people say they are coming here so they can claim asylum and bring them over? It takes years to claim asylum. So what are the women meant to do when they can't leave the house? There have been women who have spoken to journalists and have said they are trapped because their male relatives have fucked off to Europe. So many women and girls have committed suicide in Afghanistan because they find it unbearable to live there and see no future. How do they know their female relatives won't desperately try and leave the house to find food and be put to death, or starve, or speak and end up beaten to death before they can 'get them out' ( how?)? They don't. How do they think they can smuggle their women out of the country? They can hardly get on a plane.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 17/08/2026 21:02

GreySkySummer · 17/08/2026 13:03

I work with many asylum seekers from Somalia and Afghanistan. They are all severely traumatised. The immigration system does not treat them with any humanity at all- it is not surprising the crime rate is higher in this group- why act with humanity when you’re not treated with it.

I also expect someone from Somalia would be much much more likely to be convicted that a white English man

I honestly don’t care about their trauma. I am absolutely convinced that a Somalian would equally not give a shit about what I’ve gone through either. The countless stories I’ve read in my lifetime about Good Samaritans being killed by the people they’ve tried to help, be they homeless, drug addicted, immigrant or any other descriptor. I am raising my kids to keep their heads down and keep on walking around any of the people who claim to be victims on the streets. Have nothing to do with it and you’re more likely to get home.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 17/08/2026 21:05

EasternStandard · 17/08/2026 18:50

We could do this but would have to opt out of international law / ECHR or use a system that stops the current arrivals.

Yes please.

Redintoothandclaw · 17/08/2026 21:31

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 17/08/2026 21:05

Yes please.

Opting out of international human rights law allows Reform to do whatever the hell they like to British people.

EasternStandard · 17/08/2026 21:31

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 17/08/2026 21:05

Yes please.

I’m with you. I’d like to see a female PM (Kemi) bring in a system of refuge for women and opt out of everything that makes it pretty much just for men. How good would that be?

We have to vote for it though and take the lead.