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Article on the threat to UK women from Afghan immigrants

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SwirlyGates · 17/08/2026 10:41

"The statistics clearly show that Afghan nationals pose a disproportionate threat when it comes to sex offences. Last year, Sky News’s data and forensics unit – using annual population survey data from 2021 and Met Police figures – found that, for Afghan nationals, there were 59.2 sexual offence charges per 10,000 across England and Wales. The corresponding figure for UK nationals was 2.7 offences per 10,000 people."

https://www.spiked-online.com/2026/08/17/we-need-to-talk-about-afghan-sex-offenders/

The Spiked article actually misrepresents the Sky article, which does a deeper dive into the data and concludes "Our estimates conclude that Afghans are closer to three times more likely to be convicted of a sexual offence than someone born in the UK". NB though age is mentioned, i.e. recent migrants are more likely to be young and criminally active, neither seem to analyse sex, though it is mentioned in Farage's figures - there must be more male immigrants than female; presumably this has been taken into account?

More and more I find the threat, especially to women, troublesome and worrying. To generalise, the Left view all immigration as all fine and dandy; the Right disagree and want it reduced or stopped. On the other hand, Burnham's proposal to place asylum seekers in middle-class areas implicitly shows that he knows that they are problematic: "We cannot have a situation where it's only the poorest communities in the country that receive all of the dispersal of refugees and asylum seekers." If the refugees and asylum seekers are beneficial to the UK, which is promoted as the Left-wing view, then he would be saying that the rich/middle class areas will benefit from his plans, rather than saying they need to share the burden. "Blackpool, and other communities ... have had to take more than their fair share of asylum seekers," she [immigration minister Anna Turley] added. "That's put a huge burden on local communities and created real civil unrest." www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c204d4z1gg8o

TL:DR Are male immigrants, especially illegal ones, a particular threat to women, and if so what can be done?

We need to talk about Afghan sex offenders

Welcoming unvetted men into Britain from a deeply misogynistic culture is putting women at risk.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2026/08/17/we-need-to-talk-about-afghan-sex-offenders/

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BackToLurk · 17/08/2026 18:47

Kingdomofsleep · 17/08/2026 18:41

I agree with this but the Equality Act forbids sex discrimination, which this would count as.

For the same reason that can't simply free all our women prisoners to prevent early release of male sex offenders and murderers, which is something a lot of people would be happy with.

The Act explicitly allows discrimination in some circumstances.

BackToLurk · 17/08/2026 18:50

EasternStandard · 17/08/2026 18:41

I think work visas and employment lends itself to ability to check backgrounds. Either through police certificates or other records.

The asylum process does not, there’s no way to know if a male has committed a crime under the Taliban or in war torn Sudan.

Plus other factors, but vetting is a key distinction. So in order to change the asylum system to prioritise women and girls this would have to be changed dramatically.

Again, I haven’t disputed that there is a difference between work visas and asylum. I was directly addressing your concept of ‘encouragement, and why encouragement is neither needed nor desirable (outside some very narrow parameters).

EasternStandard · 17/08/2026 18:50

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 17/08/2026 18:33

We could just accept only women refugees, or family units, particularly from countries like Afghanistan where women and girls are at MUCH MUCH higher risk at home, unlike the young fit men who are merrily leaving them behind to die or be forced into "marriage" (very often slavery). Reminder that women cannot leave the house without a male chaperone, so for women whose male chaperones leave, they're likely to suffer even worse human rights abuses and harms immediately as a result of the men leaving.

So our quota could be made up entirely of women. Much lower risk to the existing population and for Afghans certainly much more in need of asylum.

Much less likely to survive small boat crossings though, so the immigration system would need to be reformed.

We could do this but would have to opt out of international law / ECHR or use a system that stops the current arrivals.

EasternStandard · 17/08/2026 18:51

BackToLurk · 17/08/2026 18:50

Again, I haven’t disputed that there is a difference between work visas and asylum. I was directly addressing your concept of ‘encouragement, and why encouragement is neither needed nor desirable (outside some very narrow parameters).

Moving on from the word encouragement. Perhaps it should be allow. Why, given the index you posted, is allowing it a good idea?

Kingdomofsleep · 17/08/2026 18:51

BackToLurk · 17/08/2026 18:47

The Act explicitly allows discrimination in some circumstances.

I know that... but I'd be amazed if we got away with barring all male asylum seekers in favour of female ones. Just not gonna happen, ever.

Our whole society would have to reframe perceptions around risk, the higher risk that men present vs women.

As a society we are moving in the opposite direction, with a successful political movement denying any material difference in the sexes at all.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 17/08/2026 18:54

Kingdomofsleep · 17/08/2026 18:41

I agree with this but the Equality Act forbids sex discrimination, which this would count as.

For the same reason that can't simply free all our women prisoners to prevent early release of male sex offenders and murderers, which is something a lot of people would be happy with.

You can have single sex policies where it's a proportionate means to achieve a legitimate aim.

The legitimate aim is protecting women and girls from VAWG. Given the many, many examples of women murdered or raped by small boat male arrivals, this should be easy to prove. Women only would be a proportionate means to achieve this. I am 100% certain there are more women Afghans who'd like to come here (get an education and work) than male small boat arrivals. So we could take the same numbers - except more vulnerable and in need actually - and also protect people already living here - legal immigrants as well as citizens.

In fact I bet we could take MORE women than single men. They'd be less trouble, probably eat less. More likely to actually do the jobs that need filling rather than just disappearing into the criminal economy.

Agree with PP too. I'm married to a legal immigrant. Only the dimwitted or deliberately manipulative pretend not to understand the difference between men who pay thousands to arrive illegally on small boats, ditching their papers en route, and legal immigrants.

Legal immigrants aren't that keen on illegal immigrants in my experience either. It's like saying people who bought a car have some kind of common identity with someone who steals the same make of car and gets away with it. Um, no, they're much more likely to be pissed off in my experience.

EasternStandard · 17/08/2026 18:54

BackToLurk · 17/08/2026 18:47

The Act explicitly allows discrimination in some circumstances.

It’s probably not the EA that would be the issue, it’s the 1951 convention and ECHR.

BackToLurk · 17/08/2026 18:58

EasternStandard · 17/08/2026 18:51

Moving on from the word encouragement. Perhaps it should be allow. Why, given the index you posted, is allowing it a good idea?

Allowing what?

NorthernPaws · 17/08/2026 19:00

Grammarnut · 17/08/2026 14:21

I have met several Somali refugees and most are nice people who want to escape hell on earth, work hard and make a home. But my late brother's best friend was attacked with a machete by a group of Somali youths many years ago and left paraplegic and without speech. His family looked after him with love for decades and my brother visited him often. Death released him. My brother still carried the guilt that the night his friend had been attacked he had no gone out with him. He hanged himself a month or so after the funeral, possibly not intending to die but as a cry for help, for he was deeply depressed - we could find no note. This has never affected my feelings about asylum seekers but sometimes I worry just a bit. People, but young men especially, from countries with little respect for women and where war has worn down sensibilities and moral systems are probably not ideal new recruits to our ship - at least not without a huge investment in education and acclimatisation.

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So sorry for the loss of your brother. (& his friend too.) xx

EasternStandard · 17/08/2026 19:01

BackToLurk · 17/08/2026 18:58

Allowing what?

You can read the same sentence swapping the word out.

But ok here it is again, given your quote re the index why do you wish to allow asylum to men who are not vetted at all?

BackToLurk · 17/08/2026 19:05

EasternStandard · 17/08/2026 19:01

You can read the same sentence swapping the word out.

But ok here it is again, given your quote re the index why do you wish to allow asylum to men who are not vetted at all?

I don’t particularly. I’d just want to investigate the viability of applying it to all men rather than cherrypicking some countries.

Kingdomofsleep · 17/08/2026 19:05

EasternStandard · 17/08/2026 19:01

You can read the same sentence swapping the word out.

But ok here it is again, given your quote re the index why do you wish to allow asylum to men who are not vetted at all?

I don't think Back is in favour of allowing that, she says she's in favour of tightening controls.

hahabahbag · 17/08/2026 19:06

There’s no doubt that there is higher crime rates among certain immigrants at a population level (I don’t want to imply that every immigrant from that country is a criminal) but it can be partly explained by the fact it takes a lot of effort to get half way round the world evading the various challenges that confronts them, you have to be pretty strong and driven, this unfortunately can in a venn diagram overlap with criminality, enough to skew statistics. Add into that that they come from highly misogynistic cultures told from young that behaviour that we know is criminal is ok, YouTube videos from the west also promoting that women shouldn’t be respected and it’s a toxic mix. I know a couple of Afghan men who are lovely, gentle, respectful men who wouldn’t hurt a fly but they gained asylum a different way, and quite frankly came from affluent families.

im not excusing behaviour, prosecution and expelling from the country is important, but its a reason for elevation in crime it’s cultural

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 17/08/2026 19:06

EasternStandard · 17/08/2026 18:41

I think work visas and employment lends itself to ability to check backgrounds. Either through police certificates or other records.

The asylum process does not, there’s no way to know if a male has committed a crime under the Taliban or in war torn Sudan.

Plus other factors, but vetting is a key distinction. So in order to change the asylum system to prioritise women and girls this would have to be changed dramatically.

On this subject, I have seen very left-wing women advocating for illegal immigrants to be given jobs in adult social care, and claiming that it's racism to exclude illegal immigrants from the sector of working with vulnerable adults just because they can't provide a full background history.

And they weren't trolling.

There is a definite attitude out there amongst some people on the left that women, elderly people and disabled people are a resource that illegal immigrants should have access to... Good old-fashioned misogyny, agism and ablism, eh?

EasternStandard · 17/08/2026 19:06

Kingdomofsleep · 17/08/2026 19:05

I don't think Back is in favour of allowing that, she says she's in favour of tightening controls.

Ok let’s see what that looks like. Maybe there’s an idea that vets dangerous men. I’m not sure how.

womendeserveequalhumanrights · 17/08/2026 19:08

AstonUniversityPotholeDepartment · 17/08/2026 19:06

On this subject, I have seen very left-wing women advocating for illegal immigrants to be given jobs in adult social care, and claiming that it's racism to exclude illegal immigrants from the sector of working with vulnerable adults just because they can't provide a full background history.

And they weren't trolling.

There is a definite attitude out there amongst some people on the left that women, elderly people and disabled people are a resource that illegal immigrants should have access to... Good old-fashioned misogyny, agism and ablism, eh?

So DBS checks for everyone to safeguard the vulnerable unless you've ditched your papers in the sea, in which case have at it? That couldn't go horrifically wrong, oh no.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 17/08/2026 19:10

BackToLurk · 17/08/2026 18:08

I haven’t made any such argument, and if you think a medical degree prevents a man being a danger to women, I’d suggest you haven’t been paying attention.

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Doctors and engineers is a common euphemism.

WizardCat · 17/08/2026 19:11

I live in an area that's recently had a large influx of asylum seekers and a relative who works at a local bus station says there's always gangs of them in there sexually harassing girls.

They do get trouble from boys/men of different backgrounds but not so much sexual harassment.

I personally grew up in an area with a large population of men from a similar culture to the ones a lot of these men are likely from and I was sexually harassed multiple times a week from the age of 12. It basically stopped overnight once I moved away with only the odd incident here and there since.

It is definitely a risk (And I'm not white myself)

NorthernPaws · 17/08/2026 19:13

BackToLurk · 17/08/2026 16:05

There is also a particular obligation to some Afghanis as part of the Afghan Relocation Programme. Some of these men are here because they helped the British on the ground during the war. The government, more specifically the MoD, know there will be future wars and future occasions where local help will be wanted. This will be harder secure without any guarantee of safety if it all goes tits up. So providing the opportunity to leave the country is seen as a necessity.

Being a cynic, I suspect the British authorities gave very few shits about the moral standards of the Afghan men who helped them when they were safely in Afghanistan 'merely' being sexually aggressive to local women. Maybe in future they'll take a closer look at who they work with. Although I doubt it, the safety of women comes very low down on the list of priorities. Assuming it makes the list at all.

Yes, I agree.
I have done some support work with the wives of those men who were given the right to come here under the Afghan Relocation Programme (because they had helped the British army over there) with their family. One of the men had a restraining order put upon him (to keep him away from his wife) since moving here, due to his domestic violence.
However, most of the other men I met seemed nice.
They had all worked as housekeepers in the British embassy (or some building like that) or as interpreters over there, assisting the British Army in that way.

unsync · 17/08/2026 19:16

The Government is fairly apathetic on the existing level of VAWG, I don't really see them doing much to counter a threat from another direction, especially a contentious one. I would be thrilled to be told I'm wrong on this.

BackToLurk · 17/08/2026 19:20

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 17/08/2026 19:10

Doctors and engineers is a common euphemism.

I’ve no idea what your point is.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 17/08/2026 19:21

NorthernPaws · 17/08/2026 19:13

Yes, I agree.
I have done some support work with the wives of those men who were given the right to come here under the Afghan Relocation Programme (because they had helped the British army over there) with their family. One of the men had a restraining order put upon him (to keep him away from his wife) since moving here, due to his domestic violence.
However, most of the other men I met seemed nice.
They had all worked as housekeepers in the British embassy (or some building like that) or as interpreters over there, assisting the British Army in that way.

I believe the numbers of Afghans helping the British Army was way smaller than we've been led to believe. Multiples more conned their way into the relocation policy over here. People lied to get here, and we're to believe the vast majority were ever going to be good citizens.

MarcTheGenderSkeptic · 17/08/2026 19:27

quantumbutterfly · 17/08/2026 18:35

Titania Mcgrath?

The satire is so strong in these kinds of posts we almost need a new word for it.
Experts are white supremacists, and 80s Kendal that was 95% white only had white perps.

Bringemout · 17/08/2026 19:30

DebbieSavage · 17/08/2026 14:57

Indeed, a lot of these men are traumatised after facing thousands of miles trudging through countries that hate them just for having the temerity to exist with a different shade of skin. And then when they finally find sanctuary in somewhere like the U.K and Ireland, they often find that the men here are nasty to them and the women refuse to even give them a chance. This leads to a lot of internalised resentment that can regrettably spill out in unsavoury ways.

Until we learn to treat these people with the respect that all humans deserve, then nothing will change. It's really sad, I feel for them so much.

I know people with ptsd from being in a civil war, never raped anyone. Falling over yourself to excuse rape is foul. No-one is responsible for a rapists behaviour other than the rapist. Many people have had awful experiences and then don’t harm anyone.

This is frankly grotesque.

Heggettypeg · 17/08/2026 19:37

Kingdomofsleep · 17/08/2026 18:41

I agree with this but the Equality Act forbids sex discrimination, which this would count as.

For the same reason that can't simply free all our women prisoners to prevent early release of male sex offenders and murderers, which is something a lot of people would be happy with.

I don't quite understand this in relation to asylum and Afghanistan.

Surely asylum prioritises according to risk? Eg an opponent of a coercive regime would need asylum but someone from the same country who supports the regime would not. A country might target members of one religion but not those of another, and so on, and so only the first religion would be a risk factor.

Afghan women don't need asylum because they are women per se, but because women are a group that the regime has decided to persecute. It's not quite the same thing. A particular Afghan man may or may not be at risk from the Taliban, but unless they are running a two tier system where some women get to break the rules, any Afghan woman is already suffering human rights abuses under the law.

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