Trans Women are Real Women and Should Have Access to Women's Spaces

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Started because a thread on Girlguiding was getting too off topic.

This.

Thanks @AImportantMermaid I couldn't be arsed writing all that down, but you have put it very succinctly.

The only way I differ from you is that I would not call a man 'she'. It only encourages them.

It's phrases like "trans is just an adjective" that got us in this mess in the first place, where bio males think they belong in women's single sex spaces. Just No

You may not see yourself within the binary of gender, but you most definitely are within the binary of sex. Because sex is binary and you are male.

Gender is probably not a binary, who knows?
How do you define 'gender'?

Have you read the study?

Even the writers of the paper who conducted the study didn’t say that Trans women have female brains. They said
“The Brain Sex of transgender women was estimated as 0.75 ± 0.39, thus hovering between cisgender men and cisgender women, albeit closer to cisgender men (see also Figure 1). The follow-up post hoc tests revealed that transgender women were significantly more female than cisgender men (Cohen’s d = 0.64, t(46) = 2.20, p = 0.016), but significantly less female than cisgender women (Cohen’s d = 1.87, t(46) = 6.48, p < 0.001).”

I wonder if this is what a female brain looks like?

Ah, of course. Summer holidays, innit.

Mumsnet is just an echo chamber for the anti trans movement. It's not how most people feel in real life. I wouldn't even bother debating here as people aren't interested in different view points.

Babe, you're a bloke.

Ahhhh.

When you've bled every single month since 1986, which is showing no signs of ending, and you've grown a uterus full of huge fibroids which make you bleed 24/7, then come back and let's talk.

"trans-fem non-binary person"

So, in old language "an effeminate man"

It’s biologically impossible, no amount of putting a lipstick and dress on makes a man a woman.

Bollocks. Literally.

... and I've got PCOS so I've definitely got the beard. I am a woman and have XX chromosomes.

Define "anti trans".

Because trans people have the same rights as everyone else. What they don't have is the special privileges they've demanded and that's not "anti rights".

No means no - why do some men find that hard to understand

Ignoring the many, many shortcomings of the study being posted as 'proof' (sample size, factors controlled.for, testing parameters, treatment of statistical outliers etc, etc, etc) all you need to do to debunk the 'proof' is look at figure 1.

There are 3 ranges shown: 1 for men, one for TW, one for women. The range for TW is entirely - let me repeat that, entirely - within the range given for men.

Biologically and legally they are not women, and they have no right to access women's spaces.

'Brain sex' is nonsense.
Sex is not defined by brain anatomy. There is no reliable way of using scans of brain anatomy to determine sex, without which it's meaningless to say men who say they're women have 'woman' brains.

On the contrary, people have been asking how a man changes into a woman, like actually changes, for a decade. But apparently nobody can answer.

Maybe you have the answer, being that 'most people' feel they can 'in real life'?

The floor is yours...

My brain is now trying desperately to conflate the phrases "lipstick on a pig" and "silk purse from a sow's ear".

I wish we still had the laugh emoji .. and it was visible to everyone 😁😁 This made me laugh out loud 😂😂 Love it.

I would suggest a course of lessons in basic biology for the OP.

Absolutely not!

Bank accounts? For women? No thank you sir, I'll be keeping my far-right/christian/moscow money in a box under my bed.