Trans Women are Real Women and Should Have Access to Women's Spaces

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Started because a thread on Girlguiding was getting too off topic.

You can keep saying that but it doesn’t make it true. There is no third sex. People are male or female.

Cash cows, sacred cows

So that explains why I can’t find it. Was going to agree and say well said - I was trying to say the same thing but your wording was so much more intelligent. i can’t figure out why it was deleted either.

And yet all of these are women, unlike Trans Identified Men who are not a subset of women, but a subset of men.

stupid cows

What decides which of those people ‘registered female at birth’ are ‘cis’ and which aren’t?

I’m still not getting meaningful engagement. And I genuinely don’t understand why not.

The ones whose gender aligns with their sex registered at birth are cis

Nobody is confused about what contraception they might need.

Nobody thinks they can choose either male or female IVF treatment.

We don't think that anyone might have a period.

I think the truth is just that some men and women confuse protecting privilege('I have resources that mean I can ignore sex to a degree') with being kind/inclusive/progressive.

Obviously not every man with a gender identity is going to be objectively a danger.

However any man walking into a women's space has declared by the act of doing so that he has no respect for women's boundaries or needs, has a sense of entitlement to women's spaces and the women in them, and at that point, yes, is a walking red flag for dangerous and abusive behaviour.

I'm not interested in how he identifies at that point, or whether he wants to be with me as I get undressed (regardless of my consent) for his emotional gratification or his sexual gratification. I don't want to be used at all, and the fact he has no respect for me or any other women makes him a threat.

If he does not want to be perceived in that way, he needs to not abuse women and women's spaces. It's not about trying to convince women to abandon boundaries, any sense of self preservation, or being more open minded about whether they're about to be a prop in someone's sexual fantasy or be assaulted because he might be nice. He isn't nice. If he was, he'd care about women. It's about basic respect for women's equality and needs.

Subsective modifier: keeps original noun category intact. Brown horse, dead horse. Privative: denotes different category. Saw horse, clothes horse.

Trans is privative. A trans woman is not a woman, like a wax woman. Do you follow?

So when you said ‘cis’ was just an adjective describing women who were registered female at birth that wasn’t the full story? Correct? They also have to have a ‘gender’ that aligns with that sex? And how would they know that?

From someone who was attacked by a trans women in a female space. Hard no!
I was lucky my friends came in and got them off me. He pushed me against the mirror by my throat, apparently I was an 'entitled cis bitch' I hadn't even looked at prior to grabbing me. I think he was in there waiting to attack a real women.

If sex in humans were complicated humans would be an evolutionary dead end.

Ah, so only feminine women are women, eh 🙄

I don’t have a gender. What am I? Chopped liver?

Women born women are women. Anything else is make believe. Transwomen are transwomen, not women. Never will be, it's impossible and making labels for women is an insult.

Yes, agree. This is why we have male and female wards. I have a health condition where I need to go into hospital for about a week every couple of years. I want to be on a women-only ward, meaning biological women. Anything else feels unsafe.

I certainly believe that some women believe that their gender aligns with their sex.

The others have heard of feminism.

Your semantic claims about the word trans do not follow directly from the linguistic distinction.

Am so sorry, how awful. x

No they are not. The women whose ‘gender’ aligns with their sex registered at birth are women. There is no need for a prefix. ‘Gender’ may be considered fluid in some circles but sex is not. There are two. Male and Female. And they are both immutable. This is a universal truth.

You know it doesn't matter how many times you repeat yourself and try and drag the women here into your contextual framework they won't go. Women here will stick to centring women no matter how many times you try and make them include men.

Post modernism gets the blame for some of this, but post modernism requires contextual definition of terms not endless attempts at bludgeoning women into just rolling over and accepting the definitions of trans ideology. We aren't going to, there are 2 sexes and women require single sex provisions, so you are going to have to find another way to deal with your ever so complicated life.

Women here will say wear what you like, call yourself whatever name you choose, trans people should of course have the same human rights as other protected groups etc, but you are not going to get into and take everything that women have fought for and that we require because of our sex class by trying to stealthily dick about with definitions to get us to accept your terminology.

That'll be a "yes but I don't like it". Thanks for confirming.

ETA: Alternatively, it's just a "no it's not".

Do you follow "argument by assertion"? It's what you do every time you say trans women are women. Dogs are clothes pegs. Trees are saucepans.

Give it long enough and someone will come along with a long complicated word salad which won’t make sense, or be logical, or scientific but will, we will be assured, prove once and for all time that yes indeedy, should a transwoman wish it to be so then he can indeed be a woman, or a unicorn, or an Angel dancing on the head of a pin. Because if you are lucky enough to start out as a man you can become any combination of genetic, special chromosome, feelingz, free spirit led, two spirit based life form you feel like. And it’s only Monday. Wait until Thursday.