Younger generations being pro trans

[PeachyDaisy]

I know many are saying the trans debate is over, but I think it has only just begun. And the reason is the younger generation. Studies show young people are the most supportive of transwomen going into women's spaces amongst all groups. In 20 years, these people will be in positions of power making decisions where they can enact their beliefs.

Also most of the western world has fallen to trans ideology (which activists will use as credibility for their ideology). I don't buy the argument that as long as it is just in EU/Australia/CA/ NZ then it is contained.

Having the laws on our side and sex matters fighting is great, but it feels like little consolation if we have to spend the next 50 years constantly in a court room suing organisations as they continue to to flaunt the law. It is like wack a mole, you stop one stop one organisation from doing it whilst another one pops up.

No, what you have taught them is that every group claiming a 'vulnerable, minority' status should be elevated and pandered to without applying any critical thinking. You have taught them to circumvent democracy by shouting #NoDebate at anyone who disagrees with them and to reframe disagreement as hatred. Anyone who has brought their children up this way has done them a huge disservice that the rest of us are now having to patiently unpick.

The Cultural Revolution. All you need to know about putting a bunch of easily influenced people with a need to conform to group think in charge.

I know people say the debate over whether Father Christmas is real is over but really it has only just begun. Studies show young children are far more likely to believe Father Christmas is real than older people…

The majority

Yeah cos young people never change their mind once they have experience do they? Oh wait…

I'm embarrassed to agree. As a teenager in the late 1980s who knew everything, I couldn't understand why some boring women still banged on about feminism and womens rights. The fight had already been won had it not?

It wasn't until I entered the workplace I realised what a colossal tool I'd been. Having children and now being older I can't imagine why I ever thought feminism was all done with.

The folly of youth 😂

It reminds me of a poster on another thread making a veiled threat that because the younger generation were so “tolerant”, the young girl who is bringing a court case against her school for single sex spaces would have her “life made quite unpleasant” much tolerant

There is another word that TRA like to throw about but can correctly be applied to those who shout ‘No debate!’, ‘be kind!’ and ‘transphobia!’ - bigotry. TRA lack of tolerance of other’s views is pretty much the definition of bigotry.

This is a good point. DD currently 19. Absolutely thinks that people can dress and present themselves as they please. Would never deliberately mis gender anyone. Hugely supportive of people's rights to choose their sexual preferences etc. But also clearly understands the need for single sex spaces and for competitive sports to be split along sex (not gender) lines. Says any fool can understand the testosterone advantage.

In 20 years they will have experienced the real world and grown up.

It depends too on many other factors.

The academic, artistic and cultural world remain very anti-biology.

A lot of it however depends on politics and legal stuff in different countries. Canada etc is still very anti women because the political sphere is captured. Because US politics is so polarised it looks like the Dems still buy into gender stuff. So if they regain power it seems they will cancel some of Trumps laws. However by then the collapse of the scientific and legal case for gender stuff will make it difficult to be like 2020 again. Detrans cases will make it less profitable to do the medical experiments and it is difficult to get round that.

Also the fact the Dems will try to enforce it on people and Trump will be gone will give the pro women side more status and a rebellious tone which will attract youngsters.

In the UK the only party that remains all in on gender is the Greens. Obviously they have a lot of young support. Outside Scotland Labour remains reluctant to attack opponents over gender stuff ATM. The Greens legally are screwed because the law says biology is a thing. So that will come to a head at some point.

However a 2029 General election will be very different I suspect. I think gender will be a bigger issue there. The genderist Muslim alliance is also really fragile and I can't see it holding.

I think gender stuff is not going away but it is losing ground. As others have said as Gen Z gets older some will flip side and they will be great recruits.

Remember huge number of terfy people here were pro gender nonsense then they peaked. Why? Because the gender side are so fanatical they alienate their own supporters.

Language is so important. I've been banging on for years about people using the word 'hate' to mean disagreement or disapproval, when it used to be reserved for something far more extreme and violent. It's a very childish black and white way of looking at the world - you hate me! yelled by a teenager whose parents won't let her go to a party. Social media hasn't helped. Not much room for nuance there.

Transphobia is a word invented on the pattern of homophobia, so all part of piggybacking on the gay rights movement in spite of the fact that they are two separate movements with little in common. I've never understood why -phobia was the suffix chosen for homophobia, as it means fear, not hate. I suppose some homophobes are motivated by fear of same-sex attraction, but I would say it's far more about inability to tolerate difference, blind adherence to religious teachings, and a strong desire to keep everything the same as it always was, regardless of whether the old ways actually make any sense or make life intolerable for others for no good reason.

In the last few decades gay rights campaigners in most wealthy countries have had great success in changing public attitudes by pointing out that giving them the same civil rights as everyone else was not going to hurt anyone else. So when trans rights activists copied that argument, a lot of people accepted it at face value without stopping to consider that as this is a separate issue it needs to be examined on its own merits, and in this case giving trans-identified people the various rights they were demanding would certainly mean others losing hard-won protections - women and girls, children, people with disabilities, the LGB community, prisoners, the list goes on.

Being gender nonconforming was increasingly accepted in previous decades. The trans movement has set that back. We need to get back to understanding that sex is biological and has nothing whatsoever to do with how we choose to present ourselves to the world (dress, shoes, hair, makeup and so on) and our interests and job choices. The male sex is not the default superior version of human. 50% of us are female and we have certain specific needs which require protection in law.

People have been saying this for years about leftism. "Look at how left wing and radical young people are - surely by the time they are 40 and running things, we will be living in an egalitarian socialist dream and Tories will no longer exist." Those long haired, liberal 60s kids are now the Brexit / Reform generation.

It's a stage thing, not a generational thing. Prison abolition and gender fluidity look wonderful when you haven't had much experience of life. When you've met your 20th dodgy weirdo in a woman's toilet and had your phone snatched for the 10th time, it tends to pall.

Yes indeed.

Thank you.. I did wonder if I was the only one who noticed.

Younger people have very little experience of the world. They don't even have open minds, they are actually very entrenched in their opinions and are often woefully uneducated in many fields. It's when they get out into the world that experiences shape their thinking, when they start to see other points of view. Their world is often just an echo chamber. I've been through the whole ' be kind' nonsense and decided that no one was considering my needs so I had best put my feelings and needs first.
That will probably happen with them too.

I think most of the younger generation will grow out of it. Mine were very much "trans women are women" when they were at school but now they are in their early 20s they realise that most of it is nonsense

I think one of the biggest problems now is people who pushed the agenda at first because it was so trendy, open minded and right-on are now doubling down rather than admit they were more concerned about jumping on the latest bandwagon for kudos than they were concerned about the implications.

They won't back down because they have invested too much in this and dont want to admit they are part of a movement that has caused actual harm to women and girls.

And then there's those (men) that dont give a flying fuck about trans people but they are loving a chance to scream hate and rape and death threats at women while being called the good guys.

It's somehow ok to say women who dont submit should be raped and brutally murdered, but not ok to say you want single sex provision.

And the former is the victim and the latter is the literal murderer by speaking their literal words of death.

You've got men who hate women, you've got celebrities in their safe celebrity world enjoying being uber progressive and artsy, knowing they will never be the ones put at risk and you've got politicians who rushed in head first thinking there were huge numbers of votes in it.

None of those groups are going to admit they are wrong. Their egos won't allow it.

I think it's the only thing dc1 can rebel against at home. We agree much more on most things then I did with my parents so it's the only thing he can kick at.

He is 16, never goes out, probably autistic and spends a lot of time on American reddit and tiktok, where the anti tans thing is really quite virulent.

He can't understand that, while I don't find a flying fuck how you want to live and dress, you can't actually 'be' the wrong sex. He also thinks it's wrong to ban trans women from women only events- Olympics and guides. But he does listen to my point about girls needing their own space.

He goes a bit quiet when I tell him that I consider everyone non binary, but that the most, absolutely, utterly female I ever felt was breastfeeding him. I felt completely mammal; like a cow, reduced to the biological function of helping offspring to survive. He also struggles when I suggest than mtf people still behave very much like people who have grown up to be socialised like men- pushing in; interrupting; centering themselves.

I now feel very biologically female again, because my body is in transition to its final state. And my pelvis is different. And my knees. And even my heart (smaller, regardless of height and functions differently).But my mind is still non binary.

I asked him if he knew where all the transvestites had gone, and he didn't really understand, having grown up in a post transvestite world (although he's seen Rocky Horror).

Yes... so tolerant...

I don't know if it's just the area I live in or something, but most of the young people I know (and I work with kids, so I know a lot) think it's bullshit, cringe, and attention-seeking. They're generally nice about it around the trans-identifying kids, but they aren't really having it as a thing that is valid and real in any meaningful way.

'Studies show young people are the most supportive of transwomen going into women's spaces amongst all groups. In 20 years, these people will be in positions of power making decisions where they can enact their beliefs.'

This is not true when the wider picture is viewed.

Are young people 'the most' supportive of transwomen going into women's spaces amongst all groups? Yes.

But even there it is no where near the majority who support that. And that % of support is diminishing each year as the people in that age group come to realise what has been happening and gaining direct experience that changes that support to being rejection of including male people in female single sex provisions.

Here you are @PeachyDaisy .

THE CURRENT DATA SPLICED SPECIFICALLY FOR THE AGE GROUP OF 18-24

Here are two data sets asking the same question and it is broken down by age group for the UK. There is a stark difference between the answers from 2018 and 2024. I expect that the next tracker poll that YouGov will do, will show a significant change again in the direction of that acceptance that you are relying on from that age group.

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Transgender_data_2018.pdf

https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/YouGov_-_Transgender_study_2024.pdf

For instance just for the 18-24 age group:

Do you think transgender women should or should not be allowed to…

Take part in women's sporting events?2018 in italics, 2024 bold
Should be allowed 39 31% 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 8%
Should not be allowed 37 53% 2018 - 2024 this is increase by 16%
Don't know 25 15%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 10%

Use women's changing rooms? 2018 in italics, 2024 bold
Should be allowed 61 42%. 2018 - 2024* this is decrease by 19%
Should not be allowed 21 40%. 2018 - 2024 this is increase by 19%
Don't know 18 18%. 2018 - 2024 *no change %

Use women's toilets? 2018 in brackets vs 2024 bold
Should be allowed 66 47%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 19%
Should not be allowed 18 39%. 2018 - 2024* *this is increase by 21%
Don't know 16 14%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 2%

Use women's refuges? 2018 in brackets vs 2024 bold
Should be allowed 69 55%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 14%
Should not be allowed 15 31%. 2018 - 2024 this is increase by 16%
Don't know 16 14%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 2%

I really don't think that you are up to date with the general opinion of young people. I think those trends will be going the same direction with the next YouGov polling for this specific tracker, because we have seen it already with other organisations who have commissioned the same questions being asked by other professional polling organisations recently.

Here is one
https://sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/03/Omni-Sex-Matters-polling-March-2026.pdf

The majority of 18-24 year olds don't believe that a person with a gender identity should use a single sex provision that is not for their sex but should either use a mixed sex provision or the single sex provision for their birth sex.

I should also point out that it was found that the age group 18-29 is currently the most intolerant in the UK. They will quickly remove someone from their life who doesn’t align with their views. This means there is a social need to remain quiet and they all know this.

This makes the young people speaking up so remarkable for now. They know the pressure to conform is huge.

cps.org.uk/media/post/2021/cps-publishes-landmark-survey-by-dr-frank-luntz-on-politics-economics-and-culture-wars/