Younger generations being pro trans

[PeachyDaisy]

I know many are saying the trans debate is over, but I think it has only just begun. And the reason is the younger generation. Studies show young people are the most supportive of transwomen going into women's spaces amongst all groups. In 20 years, these people will be in positions of power making decisions where they can enact their beliefs.

Also most of the western world has fallen to trans ideology (which activists will use as credibility for their ideology). I don't buy the argument that as long as it is just in EU/Australia/CA/ NZ then it is contained.

Having the laws on our side and sex matters fighting is great, but it feels like little consolation if we have to spend the next 50 years constantly in a court room suing organisations as they continue to to flaunt the law. It is like wack a mole, you stop one stop one organisation from doing it whilst another one pops up.

That paper uses data from 1991-2007, doesn't include anyone born after 1989, and has nothing to do with trans issues. What they mean by "gender ideology" is the extent to which people agree with statements like: "‘All in all, family life suffers when the woman has a full time job"

They find that older people are more traditional / conservative, that people get more traditional as they get older, but that there's still a trend towards less conservative attitudes over time.

This is actually bad news for TRAs - it shows that attitudes can and do shift over time within a cohort. So as well as current teens being less into gender ideology than those of five or ten years ago, we can also expect the 20-somethings to grow out of it over time. Of course not all of them, but it's reasonable to expect it to return to being a fringe view that's largely regarded as uncool.

You only need to look at all the desperately violent regime changing movements of the 20th century, ushered in by the young, to see how the young can be blindly idealistic - Nazi (overwhelmingly supported by youth vote), Khmer Rouge, Chinese cultural revolution. I’m more worried about a movement to steal houses, relieve boomers (anyone over 40 who disagrees with them) of any accumulated savings

This is my children's age group, they are 21 and 18, and yes, this is the age group where this peaked. The kids who were in their mid and early teens during lockdown. I saw it happen with two of the girls in dd's (the 21 year old) year. They both went into lockdown as gender nonconforming lesbians and after many hours spent online they came out of it as trans, both on hormones now, at least one of them crowdfunding for surgery.

My DC are in their 20s.

they all play or have played competitive sport.

that did the job for me. They are all GC - one in particular is incredibly articulate about it.

Reminded me of the teenage children of vampires in Terry Pratchett. They all rebelled against their gothic parents by wearing suits and flowery dresses, calling themselves things like Timothy and Samantha and hoping to become accountants in the future. Brilliant observation 🤣

Gen Z is a very tolerant generation, which is what we have brought them up to be. We have taught them not to be homophobic, or racist, so it makes sense they are not going to be transphobic either.

If years of being sexually harassed or even assaulted by men - years of learned caution and alertness - isn’t enough to generate suspicion and concern about strange men in places where they’re physically vulnerable, the drive to protect their children will push many women in one direction as they age.

Again, I don’t think women who worry about men who are trans in the same way they worry about other biological men are transphobic - because they’re not remotely worried about women who are trans - trans men.

@dinggirl what you see as "tolerant" is actually the most bigoted attitude ever. These are the " no debate" people who cant present a logical argument so have to bully people into silence.

My 16 year old DD has changed her views as she’s gone through secondary school, she’s now as GC as I am. It was certainly a journey but one she made mostly without intervention from me. There’s hope, because I know she’s not alone amongst her school friends.

I have observed the opposite. Being isolated from the relentless “Be Kind “ movement at school and uni allowed them to think more critically. The toxic cancel environment was more effective in real life face to face situations than on line. If you were kicked out of a What’s App group you just joined another which maybe excluded the activists. Cancelling in real life wasn’t possible, you can’t effectively police a cancelling when the only contact you have is online.

On Mumsnet you can easily be pro trans on one thread, name change and be gender critical on another. My DS is on multiple What’s App groups where they often exclude some friends for various reasons. DS is aware that he is not on some groups for the same reason. But this is the same in real life, you can’t be part of every group and every conversation.

Fear of exclusion was one of the driving forces of “Be Kind”. The explosion of social media platforms has definitely diluted the message since they can only police the groups that include them. Perhaps this is why they are so furious, they no longer control the dialogue.

Some percentage will grow out of it, but I still a sizeable percentage won't. And that's the problem. That percentage may increase. Especially when the whole western world (apart from maybe the UK and US) are pretty much fully pro-trans now.

I don't believe that trans women are women, but please don't call me transphobic. I am not.

I treat trans people like I treat everyone else. But obviously I don't believe that they are magically a different sex. I sympathise with their predicament, but not to the extent that I subvert reality.

I fear the whole world will have other problems to worry about than trans in the near future.

Nah, the up and coming generation will end up even more against all this than we are.

Some of my young colleagues in work are the most GC I know. The think it's utter bullshit and are sick of the misogyny of what is essentially a men's rights movement

Not my children. We’ve been talking to them about this since they came home in reception saying “girls can be boys and boys can be girls”.

I don’t have much influence anywhere else, but I’ve made damned sure my children don’t buy it!

But there are trans people of all ages. You can see it the 2021 census data. There are more younger trans people though.

Can you give me examples of what would make me transphobic please.

When I was at school and into my 20s I believed all sorts, most of which I now don’t believe. For example, I believed all convicted criminals could be rehabilitated so didn’t need to go to prison; that all children should decide what they wanted to learn and that schools should be staffed with ‘facilitators’ not teachers; that income tax should be abolished; that Jesus rose from the dead so that I could go to Heaven; that Parliament should be abolished; that communism was a ‘good thing’; that I knew better than my parents and that people shouldn’t be allowed to own more money than they needed to live well.
That’s the thing about youth - they haven’t experienced enough of the real world to form solid beliefs that will continue into adulthood.
The irony is now that I have been a teacher for 36 years, haven’t stepped foot in a church voluntarily for 30 years, am ok with paying my fair share of income tax etc.

Worth remembering that we gave trans lobbyists regular access to children, schools and other organisations where children congregate. They were allowed to gaslight children with the poisonous notion that they weren't entitled to boundaries from the opposite sex, the fantasy that sex change is possible and the idea that women related language is bigoted. Frankly it's amazing that any of them came out of the education system with their critical thinking faculties intact.

Fortunately, so many of them have, Some have learnt from bitter experience of being coerced /bullied into complying, many from knowing (even if they daren't voice it) that they were being bullied into accepting a delusion and many as they matured and understood the intellectual and moral incoherence of genderism.

When even Starmer beclowned himself by claiming that women can have a penis, followed by a reverse ferret admitting that they really don't, it's no surprise that children initially believe lies that are sold to them.

Children are the victims of all this - all children for being sold a lie and most of all, the vulnerable ones who bought into it and are wrecking their bodies, health and futures by trying to "change sex".

That claim makes no sense. If gen Z are tolerant because they were brought up to be, that implies the generation raising them are equally tolerant. Therefore gen Z would be no more tolerant than millennials etc.

Your youthful beliefs are the official policies of the Green Party!

My observation is that mid and younger teens already eye-roll it. It is very much not the ‘cool kids’ that are trans in this age group. They don’t say anything negative at school - they’d be in trouble and it would be unkind but they do find it irritating. Some make jokes about ‘identifying as cuz’.

Aside from abolition of income tax and no mention of legalisation all drugs and prostitution

I think the most you can do is raise your children to be critical thinkers. In the end, they will form their own views and may well be disconcertingly influenced by their peers. I have brought my children up in an atheist household, but I am under no illusion that some day one of them could arrive home clutching a Bible and a tambourine. I would have to grit my teeth and get on with it. My eldest went through a brief period of being impressed with Andrew Tate’s supposed ‘business acumen.’ I was horrified to the point of wanting to scream, but I calmly expressed my views, while letting it play out. Thankfully it was a phase about which he is now acutely embarrassed. He has a couple of trans friends, but doesn’t believe people can change sex, which means he doesn’t think I am evil if I ‘misgender’ them. I have never told my children what they should think, but I have always been clear about HOW they should think.

What, this census?

osr.statisticsauthority.gov.uk/news/osr-publishes-its-final-report-on-the-review-of-the-statistics-collected-on-gender-identity-during-the-england-and-wales-census/

www.sociology.ox.ac.uk/article/flawed-census-question-leads-to-inaccurate-data-on-gender-identity