Younger generations being pro trans

[PeachyDaisy]

I know many are saying the trans debate is over, but I think it has only just begun. And the reason is the younger generation. Studies show young people are the most supportive of transwomen going into women's spaces amongst all groups. In 20 years, these people will be in positions of power making decisions where they can enact their beliefs.

Also most of the western world has fallen to trans ideology (which activists will use as credibility for their ideology). I don't buy the argument that as long as it is just in EU/Australia/CA/ NZ then it is contained.

Having the laws on our side and sex matters fighting is great, but it feels like little consolation if we have to spend the next 50 years constantly in a court room suing organisations as they continue to to flaunt the law. It is like wack a mole, you stop one stop one organisation from doing it whilst another one pops up.

I don't think it has to be a majority for the view to be dangerous, even 30% agreeing that transwomen should be in women's spaces is far too high. Ideally it needs to be more like 5% for us to be confident that the debate has truly been won.

I honestly foresee lawsuits for at least the next 30 years as companies continue to let men into womens spaces.

"I don't think it has to be a majority for the view to be dangerous, even 30% agreeing that transwomen should be in women's spaces is far too high. Ideally it needs to be more like 5% for us to be confident that the debate has truly been won."

The debate has not yet 'truly been won, however I don't believe that it will be able to return to the strength it was with Stonewall's focus in the next 30+ years. And never if no findings give the belief factual foundations of a biological marker.

"I honestly foresee lawsuits for at least the next 30 years as companies continue to let men into womens spaces."

There will certainly be more lawsuits. However, once a solid base of precedent has been established, and again no credible scientific findings, I expect that there will be very few. Even in Australia, the ABC (national broadcaster equivalent to BBC) has announced they are withdrawing from ACON which can be compared to Stonewall here.

Things are changing and I don't believe that the few people who are 18-24 year olds now who support male inclusion in single sex provisions will be able to convince others to change laws.

Heartbreakingly, I think the bulk of future lawsuits arising from this time will be for medical damage and malpractice.

Don't forget a lot of these surveys are worded in a particular way that will get a different response from young people compared to older people. If asked slightly differently young people will talk about fairness too. It's because a lot haven't really given the thought the subject requires. When they do, the lightbulbs do start to slowly go on - part of the issue is precisely because they've never been asked some of these questions by their peers or challenged within the bubble they live in.

Yes it is going in the right direction but 40% support is still way too high imo for it to resolved anytime soon (probably not even in my own lifetime). In fact, I live in Australia and we are really captured (at least all our politicians are). It is much harder to keep men out of womens spaces when the laws have been changed to let them in.

I agree.

I know. I am Australian too.

But at least the ABC has pulled out of the ACON programme. It will happen in Australia eventually. I don’t know any of my friends or family who are supportive of male people in sports or single sex provisions. They say they are supportive but when you ask specific questions that support disappears.

I think the fact that the Liberal party brought the issue up last election and ended up losing massively at the election, makes me think another party is not going to want to touch the issue again anytime soon. People in Australia seem to associate the trans issue with trump/the culture war and don't want a party who campaigns on it.

Also Sall Grover lost (with the Australian Human Rights Commision fighting against her).

Without being too pessimistic the ABC thing feels like an extremely tiny victory compared to all the massive losses. Their coverage of trans issues is still going to be overwhelming postitive (if they even bother report on the issue at all).

I hear you. But I doubt it is associated with the Libs, sadly it might be associated with Hanson.

i think I have more hope than you seem to as I have been in the campaign as a letter writer here in Uk etc here for a while now and have watched. I always said it will take longer there because of gillard’s changes to the law.

I also think that the Brisbane Olympics will force discussion about the law. It may be kicked down the road til after the next federal election but there surely has to be a conflict in law and OlC policy that needs to be resolved.

The strange thing about the "#bekind" and "tolerant" crew is that they are the ones most likely to stab you in the back or quite preversely threaten to hurt/rape you.

All whilst being protected by managment who are also being threaten by them.

The Libs were also accused of being trump lite. If you campaign on trans in Australia people will think you are associated with trump or americanism. Australians see it as importing the culture war.

I sadly don't think the IOC policy will revive the debate. Australia came out and said they accepted the IOC decision as soon as it was announced so that matter is pretty much closed. There wont be any male athelets in womens sports at the brisbane olympics.

The Mumsnet anti-trans "feminism" board is old and out of touch with the modern world? Surely not...

Did you read the thread @Bobbymoore123 ?

I'm sure someone will explain the bits you're struggling to understand.

The anti woman poster Bobby plopping on a thread and telling lies again. Surely not…

It was always my plan to do this with my DSDs if they went down this route. I was going to come out as NB with frequently rotating made up pronouns. Luckily for them, and me, we did not need to test drive that strategy.

My teenagers are fully GC, as are most of their friends. Slightly older family (mid-twenties) were full on GI until one of them had a baby girl. The idea of her being alone in the pool changing room with a middle-aged male sort of brought it home!

😂😂😂

I’m 25, when I was at at school trans trend was in full swing. From what I’ve over heard when taking my kids to the park Gen Alpha’s (current teenagers) take the piss out of all the pronouns and don’t believe in it.

Definitely a lot less “woke” then my generation (gen Z)

Agree, Gen Z is definitely more “woke” than Gen Alpha. I really feel for all who got caught up in transitioning aged 13 and now have irreversibly changed their bodies (I’m 25 and knew a few like this)

NRTFF but the opening lines indicate collusion in a damaging fantasy: Nobody can self-declare himself to be a king, and be taken seriously by the general public. There is no 'transitioning' into it. And no man would be described as a 'trans-king' .
No man can 'transition' into being a woman. Nobody can sensibly collude with him by describing him as a 'trans-woman' (or, as a 'trans-baby', to name one other popular fetish). It is laughable.

Anti- trans feminism board? Is there a new board? Link please

As Helen Joyce said it is the parents of trans kids and activists who will be fighting this battle the longest as they are the ones who will have to admit that they have caused catastrophic harm.

100%. It’s going to be a hard pill to swallow that you allowed or in some cases even encouraged your 12 year old child to believe something patently untrue (you can be the opposite sex) and then let them take harmful medication and go on to mutilate their bodies. When it was obviously a terrible idea to begin with and many people tried to warn you but you called them bigots.

Oh look, the anti-women misogynist bigots are out in force. These are the dying gasps, the death throes of the Mens Rights Activists.

The far right incel movement are getting increasingly desperate.