Younger generations being pro trans

[PeachyDaisy]

I know many are saying the trans debate is over, but I think it has only just begun. And the reason is the younger generation. Studies show young people are the most supportive of transwomen going into women's spaces amongst all groups. In 20 years, these people will be in positions of power making decisions where they can enact their beliefs.

Also most of the western world has fallen to trans ideology (which activists will use as credibility for their ideology). I don't buy the argument that as long as it is just in EU/Australia/CA/ NZ then it is contained.

Having the laws on our side and sex matters fighting is great, but it feels like little consolation if we have to spend the next 50 years constantly in a court room suing organisations as they continue to to flaunt the law. It is like wack a mole, you stop one stop one organisation from doing it whilst another one pops up.

I was being a bit facetious and obviously if you tell a teenager something is red too much the time will come they’ll want to test if it’s blue. I think we have been a bit more dogmatic with the trans stuff though, I just don’t think it’s a discussion or something to critically think about too much, it’s naval gazing that has got us here, sex is irrefutable.

The 2021 census data is fatally flawed on this issue.

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They parrot what their friends say.

It's the same reason why so many younger and want to be younger women are left wing and far left these days.

They don't really believe it but there is social capital in pretending to believe this.

You get a sense of belonging if you say TWAW, BLM, Israel is the devil etc. And you will be ostracised if you don't.

The first thing we could do to counter this?

Ban TikTok

my experience is the same. It’s been a gradually fading trend/social contagion for years now.

A movement made up of middle aged men and kids isnt going to test of time.

The kids grow up and ask themselves what the fuck was going on.

Also, what is trans to the middle aged man, isnt trans for the girls and women. They arent the same, and dont want the same things.

The middle aged men are sexually motivated in a way women arent.

So the movement is middle aged men who'll turn into old men, the young men who turn into middle age men, and the women who really want to avoid men all together and become more aware of these men's motivations as they get older.

Not much of a long term movement, is it?

It does seem to be the case, as PPs have said, that this is a social contagion that is fading among younger children (early teens). It's pretty horrible for those who got caught up in it in their teens, had the medical interventions, are now in their 20s, and find themselves infertile, their health permanently damaged by hormones and surgery. I believe that ultimately theirs will be a very specific generational cohort who find themselves extremely isolated as they grow older. Neither the generations above them nor the generations below them will have subjected themselves to these unnecessary medical interventions.

Well very interesting. I didn’t know this. Although the concerns seem to be around non-native speakers misunderstanding the question rather than age.

Surely we have all met older trans people? I personally know a trans woman who must be around 70.

Yes, I’m not sure anyone was seriously suggesting there aren’t older ones. “Steph” the founder of TRA group Translucent is mid 70s, for example.

It also means that the information gathered in 2021 regarding gender identity is useless and can't be used as a gotcha.

spectator.com/article/why-does-the-census-say-there-are-more-trans-people-in-newham-than-brighton/

How many of these older TIMs are what we used to call transvestites?

Ageist nonsense.

This craze is over in my daughter’s school and at least half a dozen of her year group have quietly desisted.

Sorry OP but you're demonstrably wrong. The surveys from the last two years show that the vast majority of people of all ages reject trans ideology.

I suspect it's the behaviour of transwomen themselves that has made people see that the ideology is built on lies. We all know that 62% of transwomen in prison have convictions for rape or sexual assault.

Here's a very cheering quote from YouGov:

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425
'a new YouGov study, the fourth in a series reaching back to 2018, shows an increased scepticism towards transgender rights across the board – and particularly in the two and a half years since our previous wave of this study.
Notable in this most recent study – conducted in mid-December – is the growing resistance on transgender rights among those groups that are typically more permissive on the issue, like women and young people.'

I'd say the majority of those who have "transitioned" in the last ten years, but there are definitely old school "transsexuals" around as well.

I'd agree that the intensely pro-trans cohort seems to be those now at, or just left uni so 19-25. The school kids I know all seem to eye-roll at best, or be rather disparaging at worst.

1. Who is 'we'? I hope you're not trying to suggest that everyone your age believes the same things and behaves the same way.
2. I imagine you have taught them that some beliefs and behaviours are beyond the pale. Is it OK to identify as minor-attracted or as a zoophile? We don't just nod along and accept anything anybody says about themselves. A bit of critical thinking is required to be sure that the other person's beliefs and actions aren't going to adversely affect others.

The victims of all this are autistic children. Their differences and observation and rejection of gender stereotypes has been funnelled into the trans movement with devastating consequences, including physical harm.

It is not evidence of being trans it is simply pattern recognition and high alertness for injustice (noticing and objecting to what is allowed for boys, vs for girls and vice versa). It has been very effectively incorporated into evidence that they were 'assigned the wrong gender at birth'. There is very uncomfortable cognitive dissonance when one attempts to differentiate between sex and gender.

My autistic DD's friend group are predominantly trans boys (AKA autistic girls). Some already on "T".

I do think their generation of ND kids will work it out in the end, but it will be too late to reverse the damage. DD is lesbian and still a girl, I think we may be coming out of the danger zone. Being who you are, liking what you like, wearing what you want to wear is harder than it was when I was growing up. DD has been 'mis-gendered' by her peers from age 9, simply because she always wears trousers.

The trans movement is incredibly regressive in terms of gendered expectations. That is very clear as an autistic adult.

Sadly I think this is very true.

It burns out, if you live somewhere that was ahead of the curve when it started, then you can see the change in the high schools. It's now a bit cringe and the preserve of the hard work, attention seeking kids. Nobody is nasty but it's very "you do you," rather than "omg, you're so interesting and exciting."

I think everyone has a point where it gets boring and you start to see through it, so these 20yos are not going to feel the same way when they are older and making the laws.

Don't get me wrong, there is still the odd obsessive parent trying to force their vulnerable, trans identified, teenage daughter into the boys changing rooms, but they aren't getting any traction. It's seen as settled, school has extra spaces for changing and toilets and no lunatic parent calling this segregation is going to change it. Once there are third spaces, there's no good argument for going back and then the real arguments (I want and will tantrum if I don't get it) are clearer.

and when you are raped in prison, assaulted in hospital, ogled in a shop changing room, have your faith demonised, collapse or are attacked in an fully enclosed toilet cubicle because nobody can see you, have to protect your daughter in the changing rooms, what then?
A tiny minority of a small minority is (in some circumstances) making women’s lives untenable. The law is very clear that this is illegal. Sadly the younger generation will probably learn this the heard way sooner or later.
Instead of “being kind” society should be campaigning for more support because there is clear evidence that many trans women need support with their mental health problems and society being kind really isn’t helping them and that’s before you get to the damage that the drugs and surgeries do to their bodies.
Worse still, what happens to those who regret this and who want to transition back.
So called being kind isn’t always the best policy; this is a clear example and that’s before you consider the law which is very clear on the definition of sex.

The trouble is that transphobia exists, but the majority of what is called transphobia, is just women saying I don’t want to get changed next to a man, thanks.

They were completely brainwashed at school/online, easy for their 'open minds' to be filled with nonsense. Hopefully not happening so much now, I'm not sure.

Inmyuggs
Younger people have open minds
Older people do not.

Ageist, or what?🙄
It appears that Inmyuggs' worldview, trans people are 'in', older people are 'out'.