So Doctor “ Beth “ Upton is off to pastures new , leaving a large ongoing bill for NHS Fife

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Dr Upton is off to Australia it seems, after creating a toxic situation for women in NHS Fife, wonder if Dr Upton is going to be working in “ Gender Services “ down under ?

I miss the laugh emoji looking at some of the recent posts!

I don't care why he's gone, he's an activist doctor with an agenda, good riddance.

i hope for the sake of Australian women that Australia sees sense soon, but I can't see that happening.

But he'll likely go to Victoria? Very much TWAW.

He would need to go where there is work. There are a lot of jobs in Australia but Australian doctors get prioritised over overseas doctors.

Ok 🤷🏻‍♀️
I wouldn’t stay, and wouldn’t be swayed by anyone interested in vilifying me, whoever they may be.

Glad to hear it. But I think you are woefully underestimating the effect of abuse and gaslighting, which comes rather too close to saying of any abuse victim “But why didn’t she just leave?”

Ok.

We don’t know if Upton’s wife is an abuse victim or an enthusiastic and willing cheer leader. I am not sure it is helpful to speculate which it is.

He complained that an elderly patient with dementia misgendered him. He kept notes on at least one of his colleagues. He invented complaints other staff members said were false. He created fake screenshots to try to evidence his imaginary complaints. He said he would treat a patient who hadn’t given consent.

it would take a lot to make me grateful for this man who frankly should be struck off.

To be fair, I have no idea whether his medical skills are up to scratch or not. What I find dubious are his ethical standards.

Exactly. This man may have passed his medical exams - but it requires far more than that to be a good doctor. He has displayed nothing but contempt for colleagues and patients who don't play along with his delusions and he'll stop at nothing, it seems.

And by the way Dr Upton isn't the first man to argue he's "biologically" female - cyclist Rachel (not his birth name) McKinnon / Veronica Ivy and India Willoughby both used the same (non) argument. I couldn't find sources earlier today but they are in Mr Menno's Somatically Female mashup:

Any excuse to enjoy a bit of Mr Menno!

Beth is a male, so a him. No one can change sex, despite what he says. Only handmaidens think he's a woman!

If Australia favour who can manage on a busy ward then it's perhaps still Upton "may" go to Australia. He dissolved into tears (he claimed) over a nurse saying he shouldnt be in a female toilet. Still wondering why no-one reported to senior nursing staff someone in great distress running around the department looking for a senior doctor. Only the doctor noticed this great distress.

Apart from any language barrier, it would be nice to know that doctors from abroad have been trained to equivalent or better standards than UK doctors. I'm currently listening to a podcast about foreign doctors in Oz and the health board didn't check their training, or registrations or complaints, such that they had doctors who had been restricted in their practice doing the very same operations that they were incompetent to carry out, with devastating complications. There have certainly been cases here of foreign doctors with fake qualifications because no one bothered checking the spelling mistakes and the fuzzy photocopies.

His medical skills must be woeful if he thinks people can change sex and he is biologically female.

Some European universities teach in English anyway & medical degree courses are taught in English in Germany, Poland, Romania, Italy & the Czech Republic, to name a few. A good standard of English was generally expected of medical students because the bulk of the big medical journals published in English & the major medical conferences were English-medium. We native English speakers by contrast, were noted for our perplexing monoglottism.

I know that you can get bumped off English-medium medical courses in Italy if your standard of Italian (classes are provided within the medical school) isn't of a sufficient standard by year 3 when patient contact begins, presumably the same applies elsewhere - think of the insurance! 2 years is plenty to go from Beginners to degree-level in a Romance language, Polish might be more sticky, a bit of pre-application prep would be advisable.

Some European universities teach in English

Learning medicine in English is not the same as learning to communicate effectively with patients in English, especially patients with regional accents. I know lecturers who teach dentistry who say they despair of the level of English of many of their students. Overseas testing of English to gain access to university courses in the UK are known to be riddled with fraud and cheating.

Also someone who speaks a creole, pidgin or diaspora language variations of English might well be able to pass an English language test but be incredibly difficult to understand by people in the UK.

I was referring to UK students who choose to take their medical degrees abroad. I'm all-too familiar with the language competency problems in UK universities & in my own life despair of being sent to clinicians whose English is barely B1, never mind the C2 level at which they should be functioning.

I wouldn't expect much of his competency tbh. If he were a talented physician he probably wouldn't have felt the need to make himself a "special identity" to no doubt cover his flaws.
And his compassion levels appear to be nil. So hardly a healing presence.

Wherever Theo ends up, IMO his career, at least as a clinical doctor, is finished. Not only does he not have the mental capacity to cope but it will take two minutes to know who he is when his application lands. Unless of course he changes his name to something else...

His career was over when he walked into that tribunal and opened his mouth.

Beth Upton has said on the record that he would ignore patient consent and lie to a patient about what was going to be happening if a female patient requested to be treated by female staff (which can often be a legitimate need particularly for survivors of Sexual Abuse) because Beth Upton's desire to be perceived as a woman is more important than actual patient wellbeing, consent or dignity

Having seen Theo Upton in person ( I happened to be in Dundee during the Tribunal) I can assure you that no one sane would mistake him for a woman !

I would not bet on his medical career being over as there are clearly true believers in medicine.
The only saving grace will be that most doctors are very very aware that shit will be bulldozed down over them in an adverse incident. Having a doctor with his history leaves them with someone who is not credible and has been proven to give unreliable evidence to a Court.

Swapping over to his wifes name etc would disguise his past.

Which means that no female patient, who for any reason needs same-sex care, in a hospital where Beth Upton works, can trust that if they consent to a general anaesthetic, their wishes will be respected while they are unconscious - hence this is relevant to @user2848502016 feeling sorry for the women of Australia if these reports are true, which @PithyViewer questioned on the grounds that Beth has not mistreated any female patient. I think overruling any woman's consent for anything to be done or not done to her body by a male because the male's desires are more important is distinctly problematic and is mistreatment.

In your spare time, when you’re not posting on mumsnet, do you go around knocking on the door of Freedom Programme meetings shouting “I’D HAVE LEFT HIM YOU KNOW”?