So Doctor “ Beth “ Upton is off to pastures new , leaving a large ongoing bill for NHS Fife

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Dr Upton is off to Australia it seems, after creating a toxic situation for women in NHS Fife, wonder if Dr Upton is going to be working in “ Gender Services “ down under ?

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Interesting to hear that a least some of the application process would be anonymised.

I do hope any potential employer does due diligence. We are talking about a doctor who:

• Would spend a significant amount of working time on his phone, keeping notes about colleagues' behaviour

• Is happy to override female consent, and happy for the world to know about it

• Made up career-ending professional allegations against a colleague out of vindictiveness and malice

• Tampered with legal evidence and was happy to present this to a tribunal, and to make colleagues who trusted him look like incompetent nincompoops

• Is able to apply under either of two different names, and it's unlikely employers would be able to connect the two

Any such candidate would ring alarm bells for any manager

The situation is more complicated in Aus because TGW are legally seen as women thanks to Julia Gulliard.

My relative was an established narcissist before he went MtF so that tracks

Yes, I agree with your understanding

But "I'm sorry we have no female Dr's available, would you prefer to leave, wait or be treated by male Dr Upton?" is fine

"you requested a female Dr, so here's Dr Upton" is totally different

Maybe he’ll peak Australia.

Mind you, if J Yaniv hasn’t peaked Canada, there’s not much hope.

Let’s hope he’s nowhere near the elderly either if an elderly patient with dementia ends up with a complaint against them for not calling him a woman. Heaven forbid the patient comes first.

To be fair, the government hasn’t been giving uk medical graduates any priority over foreign doctors applying from abroad for specialty training posts. This left nearly half of last year’s FY2 finishers unemployed as approx 11,000 of them were apply for around 10,000 training posts - designed as the next step in the uk training system after FY2 - in competition with over 25,000 foreign doctors (not resident in the UK). It looks like priority will be given back to uk graduates (though it is unclear whether this is for all posts) but there is a backlog of uk graduates wanting training positions. Priority means, like other jobs and every other country, training posts can only be offered to foreign doctors if there are no qualified uk applicants. Notoriety aside, Upton might well have found it difficult to find a training position.

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If you had a collapse and she was the only doctor in sight (like on a plane) I bet you'd be quite happy to put your prejudices aside and have her treat you!

Except in the extraordinary and unusual circumstance of a collapse on a plane (which is unlikely ever to happen to me because I don't use the things), I'd be very chary about relying on just any old medic if I were injured or collapsed. For one thing, a trained medic may have no experience at all of whatever it is that is wrong.

My late MiL fell out of a first-floor window and landed on a paved area below it. The person who found her early in the morning, knowing that the man next door was a qualified MD, ran to him for help. While waiting for an ambulance to arrive, that doctor picked up the unconscious woman and carried her into the house in his arms to put her on a sofa.

Because of the damage he did to her spine in this way, she never walked again. He seems to have known no better: he had never had to deal with a spinal injury.

And there have been several cases in which qualified doctors, afraid that a car may explode even though that's extremely unusual in the absence of naked flame, have hauled people out of cars after an RTI and made their injuries worse by doing so. Give me an ambulance worker or a St John trained civilian any day!

In the case of Dr Upton, I think he's delusional, so I would prefer him not to treat me for a non-delusional, actual medical condition or emergency.

In Australia they will be falling over themselves to validate his gender identity. It's as bad as Canada. Pity the women having to live with this bollocks.

Depends where you are. In the hinterlands not so much.

I couldn’t give a stuff what Dr Upton considers. I’m very clear if I am not comfortable with the gender of a practitioner I will say so whatever they consider themselves to be.

NHS Fife failed to take appropriate action. But their case would have been much harder to defend has they been supporting Dr Upton’s right to examine unwilling rape victim as a “female” doctor.

Ta-ra, mate.

Wasn't the Six Word Amendment specifically about police forensic gynaecologist examiners?

No, but it was specifically about post-rape examinations. https://forwomen.scot/07/12/2020/sixwords/

I'm glad to hear that they'll be prioritising British doctors. As the EU prioritises doctors from the EU. I don't understand why they aren't already doing so.

Because so very many of the medical staff in this country come from all over the world? So long as they speak English, which is what really matters if you are an English speaker and want to tell a doctor what the problem is, I can't see that it matters. If you aren't, you may need a translator no matter which country the doctor happens to come from. The last one who treated me was a Finn, who naturally spoke better English than I do. The one before that was a Bulgarian.

Why are we taking doctors from around the world instead of our own doctors, trained at huge expense? Every other country prioritises employment of their own over people from outside the country. We must do the same.

I hate seeing our best-educated and most hard-working young people being more or less forced to leave the country. It makes no sense.

Yes in Scotland “gender” was replaced “sex” for forensic medical services for sex offences. Victims can self-refer without police involvement.

Wasn’t that what caused Nicola Sturgeon to film herself crying in a cupboard over how terribly sorry she was to trans people to have allowed the SNP MSPs to vote against requiring women who have just been gang raped to be examined by a trans identified male doctor?

A male doctor who claims to be biologically female, said he would ignore the wishes of female patients and treat patients according to their “gender” rather than sex is no loss. He’s a loon. Oh and he tried to drive a hard working nurse out of a job by fabricating evidence. He’s a nasty piece of work. No great loss.

As of today he's still registered with the BMA as a 'female' doctor.

I think that's the least of her problems! She's now apparently a lesbian.

I complained about him - did other people? It certainly doesn't show up on his BMA registration.