is there a thread for FWS / Prisons?

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Its live today on the scottish tribunals website and lasting for three days. Easy to join and good audio quality. I think that's marion on screen in the background. She seemed rather amused at the judge trying to understand the definitions.

Livestream link is here:

https://forwomen.scot/02/02/2026/fws-v-scottish-ministers-iii-the-hearing/

Tribunal Tweets are following on X:

https://x.com/tribunaltweets/status/2018623231599751198?s=20

Thanks for the reminder!

Just caught up on TT

AO: So - must have women-only prison, women-only means no men, SM say it means some men. That's it really. I could sit down now really.
J: But you wanted 7 hours ...
AO: Well yes, thought I'd better be thorough.

😂

Oh my, I thought you were writing a parody, but no! 😂

he's very passionate in his speaking. not convinced judge 'gets it' yet though but early doors.

Thanks!

Do you have a name of meeting?

I like this Barrister, he is very sure of himself (in a good way).

Advocate, given that we're in Scotland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aidan_O'Neill

Archives of his previous work for For Women Scotland here: https://forwomen.scot/tag/aidan-oneill/

Nick Wallis also live-tweeting: https://x.com/nickwallis/status/2018626898604212471

Lady Ross, the judge:

https://judiciary.scot/home/judiciary/judicial-office-holders/senators-of-the-college-of-justice/lady-ross-kc

She ruled in a recent case that Scottish schools must provide single-sex toilets: archive.is/YZCR4

good to know, there's hope then.

He is fantastic. 😍

Although he should not keep talking over the Judge.

Judge is very engaged, asking lots of challenging questions. AO'N handling it well to my ears, but who knows?

From Nick Wallis

'LR your analysis takes as source material Mr Maycock's work which presents a range of views amongst women who have shared accommodation with TIMs/trans women. I think w/o wanting to get into the detail of that survey too much - there are women who say it was okay and some...who say it was really not okay. You say let's look at the facts, but is it relevant to take into account there are different perspectives'

I'm sure the Judge is just play devil's advocate here but... What other prison rules to we disregard because 'some are ok with it? 😵‍💫

I can’t believe any woman who is able to speak freely would say ‘I am happy to be locked in a cell with violent male murderer should I ever find myself in prison.’

Drug taking and........
wellllll ?? any other crime ?

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I've just started watching the livestream but can't hear anything. Have they switched off sound while taking a break or have I got a tech issue?

Sound has come on 👍

Sorry for asking again and maybe being thick...

I've downloaded the app to watch the livestream and it's asking for name of meeting? Am I doing something wrong?

From Nick Wallis

AO were dealing with the point raised that the respondents say we cannot raise this petition on a hypothetical basis. But their defence is hypothetical. "So that's slightly odd."

😂

There's a direct Webex link in the webpage which will take you there without needing to add the name.

Is it asking for the name of the meeting or for your name, ie it wants you to set up an account?

AO gives no shits. He just says it as it is 😂

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgl83ggln40o

Some cracking quotes from AO here!