Isn’t AGP also what every woman experiences when they get dressed up & feel good about themselves?

[Theboredpanda]

I have no agenda here. I’ve always just been interested in exploring other perspectives of debates…although I’m sure this particular thought will get flamed on here and end up very one-sided indeed 🤣
I don’t believe every trans woman has AGP, but I believe a significant proportion do. And I’ve always considered that proportion to be creepy, I feel anger at the fact these men get to walk around, at least in some circles, socially accepted as women, just so they can satisfy a sexual fetish. However, I was thinking about how I feel as a woman who’s comfortable and happy about being a woman when I get dressed up in my favourite sexy outfit and put on some makeup. It makes me feel sexy. Not sexually aroused but I do feel sexy. Is that vastly different to what a trans woman feels like when they get dressed up and look (at least in their eyes) like a woman? Could it be that it’s either not AGP and we all feel sexy when we know we look good as the gender we are or want to be…or everyone’s a bit AGP when they think they look sexy because they therefore feel sexy? Or is this a totally unoriginal thought that’s already been troped out by TRAs and actually there is a huge difference??

Accusing people of being pedos is a false accusation without proof. If you did that to someone in public, you'd get sued. Rightly so :) I don;t think you know much about law

He didn't get that far, did he, because mum turned around and gave him short shrift. But that is exactly what he wanted to do. It wasn't his job to approach customers, either. M&S have a strict no-approaching-customers-unless-they-approach-you policy. The fact he approached (what he thought was) a girl on her own and on a floor he doesn't work on, shows exactly what his INTENT was. We're not stupid.

I didn't accuse anyone. I talked of paedo behaviour. If a person doesn't want their behaviour being compared to the behaviour of a paedophile, then don't promote that behaviour. It's really quite straight forward.

So your argument boils down to "I ASSUME he wanted to change her bra, even though that's not what happened, but I ASSUME he did"? I'm afraid that wouldn't hold up in court. Casually accusing a man of being a pedo because you 'think' he is would absolutely get you sued. I'd love to see you try it and get your just desserts😁

No one promoted being a pedo. Pinpoint where any such thing happened.

You said a man is a pedo for mentioning a bra fitting service to a girl and her mother. That's a false accusation. You can't just accuse people of being criminals over your paranoia. Like I said, go outside and actually do it. See what happens and how well it'll go for you. 😝

Because I can tell you that the only reason no suings happened in this instance was because a name wasn't relased. Otherwise, the employee would have a strong case to sue for damaged.

Not assume, KNOW. There was no other reason to approach her, otherwise.

And yes, considering the behaviour and attitudes would come out in court, I would relish it!

Go outside and accuse a man of being a pedo for talking to a teenage girl, see what happens.

You promote males being in the ladies where women and little girls are. There is only one reason to promote that, and it's not good.

And since M&S have said he shouldn't be there, and since M&S have said they don't approach customers, it will come out that the male;

was where he shouldn't have been, approached a girl who was (he thought) on her own, to talk about underwear. The girl was quite upset over it, and refused to return to the store. What do you think the judge's ruling will be. GUILTY AS CHARGED for him!

Hahahahahaha. You’re ace! So so far we’ve got “just because the law says it’s wrong doesn’t mean it’s a crime” and now, “just because that’s the definition doesn’t make it accurate”. I don’t know why you’re so determined to defend men going into female spaces but at least youre gifing us a good giggle whilst trying. Good on you sport!

I said I know he was going to want to do the breast fitting.

You really lack comprehension don't you.

Have a man who was where he shouldn't have been,
approached a girl who was (he thought) on her own, to talk about underwear.

And see what happens. He will be called out be any judge.

Literally no judges involved 😆

Maaaaate. I know you’re desperate for men to access female spaces, I don’t know why you’re so determined you’d spend hours badgering women on an online forum about it. Women said no. do you not have anything better to do? Have you tried airfix models, or getting into stamp collecting? Something to take you out of this rather unhealthy obsession with shouting into the void at women.

Um, men aren't supposed to approach girls to talk about underwear.

Proof? Because if not you're making that up.

Er, this is the whole topic! He approached a girl to talk about bras. Underwear. What is it you don't understand about that.

You're the one who talked about going to court! You said I'd be charged with slander! You can't even keep straight what you said!! You come across as a typical hateful MRA.

So why were you talking about slander then? And being sued? Are no judges involved in that? You can't even remember what you said from one minute to the next!

WTF is AGP?

Men getting er … excited…. When they dress in women’s clothes and pretend to be women. Gives them “euphoria boners”. Do not Google if you like your sanity.

“People accused a trans person of offering to change a girls bra”

I don’t believe anyone accused the man of ‘offering to change a girl’s bra’. If that is what some AI generator told you, you really need to stop using AI to do research with. Perhaps you should take the time to verify the information your AI is generating.

Autogynephilia. A sexual fetish where the person, a male (99.99% males - I've never heard of a female with AGP) gets sexually aroused (and often visibly) by wearing womens underwear and clothes.

Thank you both.

“offering to change a girl’s bra”

All through these posts, there had been something disconnected in the approach. A complete lack of knowledge about safeguarding and consent, the law apparently isn’t the law, polling data is not important and not representative of the majority opinion when it shows consistently over time and across the world what the majority think, etc. The references to mum and relatives as some kind of appeal to authority to back up an opinion. The sleight of hand just pages ago where a tailor measuring a woman for clothing was mentioned as ‘fitting’ women as if that was relevant to a bra fitting service.

It seems some people have no understanding at all of female people’s lives but have decided that they are an authority on the topic.

Bra fitters don’t ’offer to change a person’s bra’.

The man should not have approached a child in the female underwear section of the store. It would be very poor store safeguarding policy for them to allow this.

The store admitted that the man was not in his allocated section which, if I remember correctly, was on the floor above.

The mother was very close by her daughter. It would be inappropriate for him to approach a female child who was alone. But it makes then little sense to approach her first when an adult is clearly with her.

If male people cannot recognise appropriate behaviour around female children there is an issue.

I didn't think she was 'close' to her mother, they were a few metres apart while the mother worked out which display had what they wanted - that was why the creep closed it. He thought she was alone.

Poor kid, 14 and experiencing an adult man who talked about her breasts. Horrible introduction for a lifetime of small abuses.

flashers, peepers, clothes thieves, touchers . . . .