Isn’t AGP also what every woman experiences when they get dressed up & feel good about themselves?

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I have no agenda here. I’ve always just been interested in exploring other perspectives of debates…although I’m sure this particular thought will get flamed on here and end up very one-sided indeed 🤣
I don’t believe every trans woman has AGP, but I believe a significant proportion do. And I’ve always considered that proportion to be creepy, I feel anger at the fact these men get to walk around, at least in some circles, socially accepted as women, just so they can satisfy a sexual fetish. However, I was thinking about how I feel as a woman who’s comfortable and happy about being a woman when I get dressed up in my favourite sexy outfit and put on some makeup. It makes me feel sexy. Not sexually aroused but I do feel sexy. Is that vastly different to what a trans woman feels like when they get dressed up and look (at least in their eyes) like a woman? Could it be that it’s either not AGP and we all feel sexy when we know we look good as the gender we are or want to be…or everyone’s a bit AGP when they think they look sexy because they therefore feel sexy? Or is this a totally unoriginal thought that’s already been troped out by TRAs and actually there is a huge difference??

Some people here are pro gender stereotypes actually, Earlier they were generalizing that men who wear dresses are likely perverts and claiming that men need approval for how they look.

Neither are your opinions facts. So there we are. Your fringe view is unpopular.

That first paragraph couldn’t sound more MRA if it tried, mate.

If a man goes into the women's toilets and doesn't harass anyone, then it's not harassment. That's not my opinion, it's a fact. It can only be 'harassment' in the when the term is being wrongly applied for a political agenda, as is the case here.

No, you are the one that sounds demented, defending males entering female only safe single sex intimate spaces. That's something only a predator does.

There are no 'false accusations' here. It's not about 'trans'. It's about MALE vs FEMALE. If a male is in a female only safe single sex intimate space where women and girls are in a state of undress, he is automatically a predator. Anyone who isn't a predator or predator enabler understands this.

I'm not an MRA, and if all you can do is throw labels at people because you can't stomach disagreement, then that's a you problem.

Also waiting to hear why it's okay to make false accusations purely based on trans identity.

Your view is not a “fact”, it’s an opinion. If a man is in a female space he is violating the consent, the privacy and dignity of at least some of the women in there.

If a man is in a woman's toilet, that IS automatically harassment. That is FACT. Not opinion.

You ARE an MRA. You want to remove female only spaces so men can enter. That's the very definition of an MRA.

Making this about "trans identity" is disingenuous. This is about MALES. Not 'trans'. And if that MALE is in a female only space, he is automatically, by law, by morals, a predator.

“Why do you think men are interested in you because you’re uncomfortable with us being there, we don’t give a fuck about you”. Pure MRA.

"That's something only a predator does."

Factually inaccurate and biased. It's your opinion, one that isn't backed up by anything but blind insistence. Being a predator requires committing predatory crimes.

"There are no 'false accusations' here."

Care to explain this?

yawn

So about the false accusations...

No, you are the one that is factually inaccurate and biased. It's morals and the law. No one but predators and pedophiles agree with you.

I don't deal with AI, ever. So I won't be looking at that, and have no idea what that's about, other than I can see it's AI screed (which has a 90-odd percent failure rate).

I'm anti abortion too. I don't really care if you're offended by my opinions.

"There are no 'false accusations' here."

So why do many people here support firing trans people and making false accusations of being a predator? And btw, Posie Parker said it's okay for straight men with guns to use the women's toilets.

Men shouldn’t be asking teenage girls if they need help bra shopping. It’s not appropriate. I used to shop in M&S a lot and have done so all over the country and the staff don’t come up to you and ask you these things in my experience. It was a social media storm, and unfortunately that’s how these things tend to go. But I do think he should have a) refrained, and b) been given training on what’s appropriate in that area.

Yes dear, that’s because you haven’t got a leg to stand on about not being an MRA with misogynistic comments like that.

"No one but predators and pedophiles agree with you."

Being a pedo requires attraction to children. You're getting desperate, but the slander won't work.

"I don't deal with AI, ever. So I won't be looking at that, and have no idea what that's about, other than I can see it's AI screed (which has a 90-odd percent failure rate)."

It simply details a real event where people lied about an alleged trans employee who was accused of "offering to change a girl's bra", when no such thing happened. It was made up, as an opportunistic attack.

If he thought it was so important to “help” he should have asked a female colleague to go over. But of course we’re all supposed to participate in the charade that he’s a woman.

Telling someone they're an egotist for assuming strangers are perverts for not doing what they tell them is something I would say to men or women. So save the identity politics. You're the one who has nothing intelligent to say since you can't acknowledge a smear campaign.

It wasn’t “made up”. It was an incident that could be interpreted in multiple ways.

So you're just a garden variety misogynist then.

So why do many people here support firing trans people

Who said that here?

and making false accusations of being a predator?

I've seen no false accusations on here at all. I think your understanding of 'false accusations is different from 99% of the population.

So, men aren't allowed to talk to girls at all? And you think that's cause to lie about what happened? You're certainly making yourself look pretty bad in that case.

Bla bla bla 🥱 I’m sure everyone on the thread has drawn their own conclusions, mate.

Men shouldn’t be discussing girls’ underwear as shop staff, no. Hope that helps.