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Isn’t AGP also what every woman experiences when they get dressed up & feel good about themselves?

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Theboredpanda · 20/01/2026 11:04

I have no agenda here. I’ve always just been interested in exploring other perspectives of debates…although I’m sure this particular thought will get flamed on here and end up very one-sided indeed 🤣
I don’t believe every trans woman has AGP, but I believe a significant proportion do. And I’ve always considered that proportion to be creepy, I feel anger at the fact these men get to walk around, at least in some circles, socially accepted as women, just so they can satisfy a sexual fetish. However, I was thinking about how I feel as a woman who’s comfortable and happy about being a woman when I get dressed up in my favourite sexy outfit and put on some makeup. It makes me feel sexy. Not sexually aroused but I do feel sexy. Is that vastly different to what a trans woman feels like when they get dressed up and look (at least in their eyes) like a woman? Could it be that it’s either not AGP and we all feel sexy when we know we look good as the gender we are or want to be…or everyone’s a bit AGP when they think they look sexy because they therefore feel sexy? Or is this a totally unoriginal thought that’s already been troped out by TRAs and actually there is a huge difference??

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Skywinn · 26/01/2026 04:22

ThatBlackCat · 26/01/2026 04:20

So you're just a garden variety misogynist then.

So why do many people here support firing trans people

Who said that here?

and making false accusations of being a predator?

I've seen no false accusations on here at all. I think your understanding of 'false accusations is different from 99% of the population.

People accused a trans person of offering to change a girls bra, when he didn't. That's a false accusation/lie, dearie.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/01/2026 04:23

ThatBlackCat · 26/01/2026 04:20

So you're just a garden variety misogynist then.

So why do many people here support firing trans people

Who said that here?

and making false accusations of being a predator?

I've seen no false accusations on here at all. I think your understanding of 'false accusations is different from 99% of the population.

He’s basing it all on that bra shopping incident.

ThatBlackCat · 26/01/2026 04:23

Skywinn · 26/01/2026 04:18

"No one but predators and pedophiles agree with you."

Being a pedo requires attraction to children. You're getting desperate, but the slander won't work.

"I don't deal with AI, ever. So I won't be looking at that, and have no idea what that's about, other than I can see it's AI screed (which has a 90-odd percent failure rate)."

It simply details a real event where people lied about an alleged trans employee who was accused of "offering to change a girl's bra", when no such thing happened. It was made up, as an opportunistic attack.

If you think males should be allowed in the ladies where little girls are, well.... Clearly you're the one getting desperate if you think that's a normal thing to advocate for.

Isn’t AGP also what every woman experiences when they get dressed up & feel good about themselves?
Skywinn · 26/01/2026 04:24

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/01/2026 04:22

Men shouldn’t be discussing girls’ underwear as shop staff, no. Hope that helps.

Male or female employees can and do mention a bra fitting service. You make it sound like something perverted was said. You realize that there are men who measure women in stores right? The option should be provided, but evidently a lot of women don't mind.

Heggettypeg · 26/01/2026 04:25

Skywinn · 26/01/2026 04:22

People accused a trans person of offering to change a girls bra, when he didn't. That's a false accusation/lie, dearie.

Were you there when it happened?

Skywinn · 26/01/2026 04:25

ThatBlackCat · 26/01/2026 04:23

If you think males should be allowed in the ladies where little girls are, well.... Clearly you're the one getting desperate if you think that's a normal thing to advocate for.

People don't shower in public toilets.

ThatBlackCat · 26/01/2026 04:25

Skywinn · 26/01/2026 04:21

So, men aren't allowed to talk to girls at all? And you think that's cause to lie about what happened? You're certainly making yourself look pretty bad in that case.

What type of male approaches a girl in the bra section and asks to talk to her about bras? I know! A p-r-e-d-a-t-o-r. And a paedophile.

Skywinn · 26/01/2026 04:26

Heggettypeg · 26/01/2026 04:25

Were you there when it happened?

There was no claim, even in the complaint, that there was an offer of changing the girl's bra.

ThatBlackCat · 26/01/2026 04:26

Skywinn · 26/01/2026 04:22

People accused a trans person of offering to change a girls bra, when he didn't. That's a false accusation/lie, dearie.

He approached a girl that was looking to try on bras. What do you think that meant? So no, not a false accusation or lie at all.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/01/2026 04:26

I don’t believe non “woman” identifying male employees in M&S would go up to a teen girl in the bra section, and if they did, there would be complaints.

ThatBlackCat · 26/01/2026 04:27

Skywinn · 26/01/2026 04:24

Male or female employees can and do mention a bra fitting service. You make it sound like something perverted was said. You realize that there are men who measure women in stores right? The option should be provided, but evidently a lot of women don't mind.

In the real world, males NEVER talk to women or girls about bra fitting. Only females do.

Skywinn · 26/01/2026 04:28

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ThatBlackCat · 26/01/2026 04:28

Skywinn · 26/01/2026 04:25

People don't shower in public toilets.

They do change. As you've been told repeatedly.

Skywinn · 26/01/2026 04:29

ThatBlackCat · 26/01/2026 04:27

In the real world, males NEVER talk to women or girls about bra fitting. Only females do.

That's not true, since men even measure women in stores. However, a man mentioning a service still doesn't make him a pedo.

ThatBlackCat · 26/01/2026 04:29

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No, you're not the serious person. If you think it's ok for a male stranger to approach a girl to talk about underwear, you're a very, deeply unwell man.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/01/2026 04:29

Skywinn · 26/01/2026 04:26

There was no claim, even in the complaint, that there was an offer of changing the girl's bra.

It was a social media storm and went viral, details obviously got changed in the retelling. This isn’t exclusive to this incident or this issue by any means. Lots of people still think male boxer Imane Khelif is a “cis woman” with high testosterone who was victimised by the dastardly Russians because they saw it on Reddit.

ThatBlackCat · 26/01/2026 04:30

Skywinn · 26/01/2026 04:29

That's not true, since men even measure women in stores. However, a man mentioning a service still doesn't make him a pedo.

Er no, men do not measure womens breasts in stores. Ever. It's quite clear you have a pornified fantasy and don't live in reality.

Skywinn · 26/01/2026 04:30

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/01/2026 04:26

I don’t believe non “woman” identifying male employees in M&S would go up to a teen girl in the bra section, and if they did, there would be complaints.

Based on what? What was the crime? And why the lie?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/01/2026 04:31

Skywinn · 26/01/2026 04:29

That's not true, since men even measure women in stores. However, a man mentioning a service still doesn't make him a pedo.

Which men measure women in stores for bras?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/01/2026 04:32

Did you get that off Chat GPT too?

Skywinn · 26/01/2026 04:34

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/01/2026 04:29

It was a social media storm and went viral, details obviously got changed in the retelling. This isn’t exclusive to this incident or this issue by any means. Lots of people still think male boxer Imane Khelif is a “cis woman” with high testosterone who was victimised by the dastardly Russians because they saw it on Reddit.

It was a social media storm because people saw an opportunity to lie about a trans person. None of the people who did it owned up or apologized for making an error, which they would have dine if it was an honest mistake.

Skywinn · 26/01/2026 04:35

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/01/2026 04:32

Did you get that off Chat GPT too?

Grok actually. But I suspect the people who lied about what happened had even worse sources.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 26/01/2026 04:36

Yes, of course, Grok 😂 you don’t have a single talking point that you can articulate without AI.

Skywinn · 26/01/2026 04:37

ThatBlackCat · 26/01/2026 04:29

No, you're not the serious person. If you think it's ok for a male stranger to approach a girl to talk about underwear, you're a very, deeply unwell man.

I think it's okay for a male or female employee to mention a service in a store, bra related or not. I'd say you're the unwell one for assuming the absolute worst intentions, thinking you can read minds and thinking that's a reason to slander people.

ThatBlackCat · 26/01/2026 04:37

Skywinn · 26/01/2026 04:35

Grok actually. But I suspect the people who lied about what happened had even worse sources.

Grok itself admitted it has a 92% failure rate. Anyone who uses AI is an absolute idiot.

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