Isn’t AGP also what every woman experiences when they get dressed up & feel good about themselves?

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I have no agenda here. I’ve always just been interested in exploring other perspectives of debates…although I’m sure this particular thought will get flamed on here and end up very one-sided indeed 🤣
I don’t believe every trans woman has AGP, but I believe a significant proportion do. And I’ve always considered that proportion to be creepy, I feel anger at the fact these men get to walk around, at least in some circles, socially accepted as women, just so they can satisfy a sexual fetish. However, I was thinking about how I feel as a woman who’s comfortable and happy about being a woman when I get dressed up in my favourite sexy outfit and put on some makeup. It makes me feel sexy. Not sexually aroused but I do feel sexy. Is that vastly different to what a trans woman feels like when they get dressed up and look (at least in their eyes) like a woman? Could it be that it’s either not AGP and we all feel sexy when we know we look good as the gender we are or want to be…or everyone’s a bit AGP when they think they look sexy because they therefore feel sexy? Or is this a totally unoriginal thought that’s already been troped out by TRAs and actually there is a huge difference??

Men using the womens toilets is AUTOMATICALLY predatory. A normal human being doesn't need this to be explained to them.

It was exactly through feminist activism. Your ignorance of history says everything about you.

Could it be that it’s either not AGP and we all feel sexy when we know we look good as the gender we are or want to be…or everyone’s a bit AGP when they think they look sexy because they therefore feel sexy?

N/A MEN ARE NOT WOMEN NO MATTER WHAT YOU OR ANYONE THINKS. HTH

Don't be so 'open minded' that your brain falls out.

The equivalent would you be putting on men's clothes, filming yourself walking up and down and in the male toilet and that making you so aroused you need to 'relieve' yourself in the gents.

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This.

I see what you’re saying but I disagree because AGPs (they’ve written about it themselves as have sexologists) don’t feel sexy when they cross dress or imagine they have female body parts - they actively feel sexually aroused by their own body pretending to be female.

They’re not thinking “This (insert clothing type) looks good on me”, from what I’ve come across on Reddit they’re thinking something like, “Imagining I’ve got a menstrual cycle is giving me a euphoria boner”.

As we can see from the many squalid bedroom selfies, the impulse to tidy up or clean doesn’t seem to be a “feminine” trait for these men. (And no, if you are an untidy woman, you are not more of a man, or a tidy man a woman, it’s a societal stereotype and I’m being tongue in cheek).

Exactly that @UtopiaPlanitia- I think many people don’t perceive this distinction.

The Supreme Court case last year clarified that the definition of sex in the Equality Act is based on biological sex not gender identity or certificated “sex”. In the workplace a failure to provide single sex toilets and/or changing rooms can be seen as harassment of female employees (see Darlington case although like the Kelly case this isn’t binding). This is based on the Equality Act, the Human Rights Act and the Health and Safety Act: Workplace Regulations.

You don't know what a predator is then. Appealing to the law doesn't validate you either. Repeating the same mantra doesn't either.

Proof? Because no such thing seems to be claimed.

Laws are subject to change. What you described as harassment isn't what harassment actually is, regardless of what the law says.

Not that many people, though. Only 7% of people actually share your view https://yougov.co.uk/topics/society/trackers/support-for-separate-toilets-for-men-and-women-and-gender-neutral-toilets-in-public-spaces

Thanks for your important opinion about what constitutes harassment. I’ll be sure to bear it in mind at all times.

Most people don;t participate in surveys, so you're not getting a clear image of what many people think or how much they would care. But that's an appeal to popularity anyway, which doesn't make you right, or your opinions facts.

It's quite easy to determine what harassment is and is not, factually speaking.

AI. Not a great thing. Read the court ruling. It clearly states that while there is no law that states a place must have single sex toilets, WHEN they are labelled single sex, it must mean SINGLE SEX.

That was the entire point of the actual court case!

The fact remains that harassment in the Equality Act is defined this way:

26Harassment(1)
A person (A) harasses another (B) if—

(a)
A engages in unwanted conduct related to a relevant protected characteristic, and

(b)
the conduct has the purpose or effect of—

(i)
violating B's dignity, or

(ii)
creating an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment for B.

(2)
A also harasses B if—

(a)
A engages in unwanted conduct of a sexual nature, and

(b)
the conduct has the purpose or effect referred to in subsection (1)(b).

(3)
A also harasses B if—

(a)
A or another person engages in unwanted conduct of a sexual nature or that is related to gender reassignment or sex,

(b)
the conduct has the purpose or effect referred to in subsection (1)(b), and

(c)
because of B's rejection of or submission to the conduct, A treats B less favourably than A would treat B if B had not rejected or submitted to the conduct.

(4)
In deciding whether conduct has the effect referred to in subsection (1)(b), each of the following must be taken into account—

(a)
the perception of B;

(b)
the other circumstances of the case;

(c)
whether it is reasonable for the conduct to have that effect.

(5)
The relevant protected characteristics are—

<formatting went haywire at that point, I’m sure most know what they are but I can list if needed>

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/26

"Any male in a female only space is AUTOMATICALLY doing something wrong. That's what you don't understand."

I disagree.

"The female sex is vulnerable, which is why it is worse when a male gets his erect penis out in front of little girls and women."

Who is doing that if they go into a cubicle? It would actually be much easier for underage boys to see a penis in the mens room, due to urinals. Boys are more vulnerable than adult women, on account of being children.

Do you understand how polling companies work or what a “sample” is?

It doesn;t matter how it's defined. It's factually inaccurate.

You can disagree but you would be morally wrong.

AGAIN, it's not about cUbIcLeS. It's about the open space.

Your bs about boys just shows you're a misogynist bigot and don't care at all about women and girls.

You’d best write a strongly worded letter to the government then, only they have the power to change the law to be in line with your “factual” view.

The LAW is 'factually inaccurate'? You really are embarrassing yourself.