Isn’t AGP also what every woman experiences when they get dressed up & feel good about themselves?

[Theboredpanda]

I have no agenda here. I’ve always just been interested in exploring other perspectives of debates…although I’m sure this particular thought will get flamed on here and end up very one-sided indeed 🤣
I don’t believe every trans woman has AGP, but I believe a significant proportion do. And I’ve always considered that proportion to be creepy, I feel anger at the fact these men get to walk around, at least in some circles, socially accepted as women, just so they can satisfy a sexual fetish. However, I was thinking about how I feel as a woman who’s comfortable and happy about being a woman when I get dressed up in my favourite sexy outfit and put on some makeup. It makes me feel sexy. Not sexually aroused but I do feel sexy. Is that vastly different to what a trans woman feels like when they get dressed up and look (at least in their eyes) like a woman? Could it be that it’s either not AGP and we all feel sexy when we know we look good as the gender we are or want to be…or everyone’s a bit AGP when they think they look sexy because they therefore feel sexy? Or is this a totally unoriginal thought that’s already been troped out by TRAs and actually there is a huge difference??

The "vote" for allowing men into women's loos is not a majority referendum but a Freemasons-style [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackballing blackball vote]] with a rejection threshold of one.

If one woman objects to the space being mixed, it stays single-sex.

All girls below the age of majority have a proxy vote of "reject" cast for them, because they are not old enough to consent to the extra risk of men being in the space.

The space stays single-sex. The Equality Act is clear.

The toilet is a public toilet for female people.

Any male in a female only space is AUTOMATICALLY doing something wrong. That's what you don't understand.

The female sex is vulnerable, which is why it is worse when a male gets his erect penis out in front of little girls and women.

Er, I am saying they are appropriating OTHER PEOPLE'S TRAUMA. I never mentioned anything about their so-called trauma.

If people feel ;aroused' internally but aren't doing anything inappropriate, then I'm not sure what the issue is?

A male having an erection in the ladies room is inappropriate. Only a predator themselves cannot see this, or do see it and pretend it's ok.

WRONG! The ruling makes clear that if an area is LABELLED as single sex, it must, BY LAW, be single sex.

You are confusing gender neutral/unisex with single sex.

'People' (and I say that loosely) who support males in female only intimate safe single sex spaces are very much in the wrong in EVERYONE'S eyes apart from sexual predator's eyes.

Again, the photoshop test stopped working 40 thousand times ago.

Any male who doesn't work on that floor, had no business being there, and approaches a girl to talk about underwear is automatically a dangerous sexual predator.

A male going into a FEMALE toilet is AUTOMATICALLY a predator. He has no reason to go in there, and no woman wants him there. It causes TRAUMA to rape and DV survivors. Only someone with no morals and no compassion, empathy or human decency doesn't understand this.

You want to remove womens hard won rights. That makes you an MRA.

So you can't safeguard a 'Staff Only' door either? There is a reason rooms are labelled.

Only predators want to REMOVE safeguards for women and girls.

And rapists don't go in there? Really? Say that to women who were raped by a male in the womens toilets, like these:

WRONG yet again. Voyeurism, as well as Indecent Exposure, are charges that men get if they go into the ladies. You really have no idea just how ignorant you are on this.

Only MRAs and predators who don't recognise the vulnerability and humanity of females don't understand why it is VITAL that toilets are 'sexed'.

You've always needed a penis to rape. Women don't have a penis.

Explain how it is not predatory for a male to enter a space where women and girls are in a state of partial to full undress where they are supposed to be safe from men. A man who wants to use the toilet will use the man's toilet.

And again, your rubbish about gay men. Some men hate women so much that they will enjoy seeing women uncomfortable. THAT, is what those men get out of it.

WRONG!! As you've already been told; Women flee to the ladies to escape a man. We cry. Seek help. We miscarry there. We change out at the sinks to go clubbing. We wash blood-stained underwear at the sink, and baby sick off our blouses. We are in a semi state of dress and sometimes momentarily completely naked. We don't want MALES there, understand? Perhaps LISTEN to women instead of mansplaining about such a PRIVATE ISSUE that you as a male, will NEVER understand!

Any male that enters a female space has intent and action. That makes him a predator. That is your fallacy.

It is morally wrong for a male to enter a female only space. One who isn't a predator doesn't need this to be explained.

That is an oft repeated myth with no basis in any fact. There is zero evidence males were using female toilets 'for decades'. If they were, we'd know immediately, the police would be called, the filthy predator would be charged and have 19 shades of hell beaten out of him by other men and if he survived that, he never entered the ladies again!

Men are not being 'penalised' because they can't go in the female toilets....

There has been no definition change on this side of the Atlantic. Rape has always involved a penis in English law. Tell me you are American without telling me...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5475381-well-this-was-totally-predictable?reply=149936282 explains why eliding rape with other forms of sexual assault is not progressive and does not benefit women.

Again, this has been answered 40 thousand times, the 'but what about trans men' gotcha. We know a small beardy female from an actual male. You men can't because you don't have the evolutionary instinct. It is hardwired into women as a survival instinct to spot a male. Studies show women and even young girls can accurately determine sex 96% of the time. But because you men don't have that survival instinct, you ass'ume women don't, too. That, is where you're very wrong.

None of them pass. Their male skulls and male skeletal structure is far too different. Makeup only accentuates the male jawbone, if anything. It doesn't hide it. And we don't give a fuck about their 'intentions'. We care about how they make us feel. That's the only important issue.

Again, WRONG!! Women flee to the ladies to escape a man. We cry. Seek help. We miscarry there. We change out at the sinks out in the open, not in a cubicle, to go clubbing. We wash blood-stained underwear at the sink, out in the open, and baby sick off our blouses, again, right out in the open.

None of them pass. Most of them try so hard to pass that they look like a ridiculous caricature of what they think women look like and prefer to dress like. They only stand out even more.

And spaces that are designed to keep males out don't have an exemption for 'effort'.

Any male in a female only space is AUTOMATICALLY a predator. You, are morally, and legally, wrong.