Isn’t AGP also what every woman experiences when they get dressed up & feel good about themselves?

[Theboredpanda]

I have no agenda here. I’ve always just been interested in exploring other perspectives of debates…although I’m sure this particular thought will get flamed on here and end up very one-sided indeed 🤣
I don’t believe every trans woman has AGP, but I believe a significant proportion do. And I’ve always considered that proportion to be creepy, I feel anger at the fact these men get to walk around, at least in some circles, socially accepted as women, just so they can satisfy a sexual fetish. However, I was thinking about how I feel as a woman who’s comfortable and happy about being a woman when I get dressed up in my favourite sexy outfit and put on some makeup. It makes me feel sexy. Not sexually aroused but I do feel sexy. Is that vastly different to what a trans woman feels like when they get dressed up and look (at least in their eyes) like a woman? Could it be that it’s either not AGP and we all feel sexy when we know we look good as the gender we are or want to be…or everyone’s a bit AGP when they think they look sexy because they therefore feel sexy? Or is this a totally unoriginal thought that’s already been troped out by TRAs and actually there is a huge difference??

Ha haaa! 😄

You have such a way with words! 😁

But that sums it up pretty well.

We really need an 'It's a fetish Janet' gif.

Wombats too.

Exactly what I was thinking!

Ha, perfect!

A few giveaway terms there like hardcore beliefs and anti-trans, then the flounce!

Not exactly the words and actions of a genuine debate seeker eh?

OP - Is this exclusively male fetish not just like a normal feeling a woman has? I have no agenda, honest!

Everyone else - Er, no, this is why...

OP (20 minutes later) - You completely proved my agenda! Bigots! Flounce.

🙄

And yet, your discussion points are flawed and people are saying why.

I think you are misinterpreting people pointing out the flaws in what you posted as being something to do with being 'anti-trans'. Also just to clarify, women reacting to men who declare they are sexually arousal by a paraphilia where they visualise themselves as being female or where they viewed as female and treated as if they are, in their opinion, female is also not women being 'anti-trans' either.

Now on Bluesky....

'Those bigots won't even talk about getting sexually aroused by their own image!!! Those silly women are soooo closed to debate!!! They're a bunch of malfunctioning sex dolls who are now obsessing over wombats!!!'

😂

Exactly. You could have tried not to rip your own feeble disguise off quite so fast @Theboredpanda. Even though most of us could see through it from the start, you might have kept a few innocents believing you were genuine for a bit longer there.

Oh, ew, says this transman. I'd never thought about it, and it really doesn't appeal to me. I love wearing my own male underwear, but I don't get aroused from it, and the idea of wearing someone else's is the opposite of exciting.

OP: the P in AGP stands for "philia" as in "paraphilia". If you don't get aroused, then by definition, it's not a paraphilia.

I read the flounce but Im here now.
Dressing up nicely & feeling good is simply not an equivalent thing to a man putting on women's clothes and getting a hard on.

The female equivalent would be dressing in 'male' clothes and a fake beard or something, and feeling like a sexy brute and getting it on with myself. Which is a weird, weird concept.

And despite all that, I have never, ever get dressed up & think I'm so smoking hot I want to fuck myself. Not ever in my 45+ years even when I was young & lovely.

And I wouldn't even say I can recall ever thinking I look sexy? Attractive yes - as in 'I think men will like how I look and approach me tonight' but is sexy the same as that? It doesn't feel it to me, maybe because I've never gone out specifically wanting to bag someone to have sex at the end of the night. I've only ever wanted relationships. Hmmm, thought provoking.

TLDR: NO, JUST NO.

For what it is worth, when a Wombat squeals in the middle of the night, it is a very scary sound if you are in a tent right beside it and don't know what is making that huge noise.

Is it like a fox's scream?

Only thing I know about wombats is their poop is cube shaped.

That 'for what it's worth' is doing a lot of heavy lifting, Helleofabore😂
but one of the delights of this board is the wide range of wonderful, obscure, and wonderfully obscure facts that we can, and do, share❤

'Malfunctioning sex doll'

Wonder if that MN username is taken.

That is exactly the problem so many men have when it comes to understanding women. They think that any residual private existence we have beyond their fantasies/needs is a kind of malfunction

I've got quite a few clothes from the mens dept, I've got broad shoulders and arms a gibbon would envy, and I quite like my sleeves to be long enough to keep out draughts. I've worn mens* coats and jumpers etc all my life just to stay warm!

*some of the coats were secondhand but, nope, not the hint of a frisson.

'Sorry about that, Helle', I didn't realise you were in there!'

GET OUT OF TOWN.

I shall Google.

My favourite ever jacket was a vintage men's one. Loved it for the long-enough sleeves and the many, many pockets (that were all big enough to put things in).

Sexually? Not so much as a tingle from it.

I am a lesbian and often - in fact very day - put on women's underwear 😮and.. and... and um..... well that's it, really😄

But if there is only a tent between you and a screaming wombat or two it is really loud.... And they react to people snoring as if they think there is a predator around.

I do love a good wombat pic.