Isn’t AGP also what every woman experiences when they get dressed up & feel good about themselves?

[Theboredpanda]

I have no agenda here. I’ve always just been interested in exploring other perspectives of debates…although I’m sure this particular thought will get flamed on here and end up very one-sided indeed 🤣
I don’t believe every trans woman has AGP, but I believe a significant proportion do. And I’ve always considered that proportion to be creepy, I feel anger at the fact these men get to walk around, at least in some circles, socially accepted as women, just so they can satisfy a sexual fetish. However, I was thinking about how I feel as a woman who’s comfortable and happy about being a woman when I get dressed up in my favourite sexy outfit and put on some makeup. It makes me feel sexy. Not sexually aroused but I do feel sexy. Is that vastly different to what a trans woman feels like when they get dressed up and look (at least in their eyes) like a woman? Could it be that it’s either not AGP and we all feel sexy when we know we look good as the gender we are or want to be…or everyone’s a bit AGP when they think they look sexy because they therefore feel sexy? Or is this a totally unoriginal thought that’s already been troped out by TRAs and actually there is a huge difference??

God I miss the laugh response button.

You know, we should thank the plopper with their pre-packaged 'you're all a bunch of hate-fuelled bigots' - without him, we'd never have known what the cry of the wombat sounds like.
Well, most of us. Except for Hellebore, of course. And anyone from Australia. And anyone with a pet wombat. But apart from that...

So thank you, Theboredpanda , for Themildlyirritatedwombat😁

I think @Theeyeballsinthesky has it best with “no of course it isn't
men with AGP get a hard on from dressing like a woman
personally I've never got the fanny gallops from putting on my pants“…

https://youtube.com/shorts/jwbqUUz46sI?si=KrxX2uyNrPO2BMhE

I actually have no issue with AGP in principle. People get turned on by all sorts of things and what they do on their own or with a partner in the privacy of their own home is up to them, as long as it's consensual. When it becomes an issue is when men with AGP think everyone else wants to see them act out their fantasy, and that it means everyone else should consider them as a woman. If people walked around in BDSM gear because they get turned on by it, most people would not be happy to see that in public.

This

THAT'S NOT AN 18TH CENTURY WOMBAT, YOU FRAUD! I DEMAND MY MONEY BACK!
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Maybe he identifies as a wombat?

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Well! I never! That is awesome!!

You can feel comfortable and happy with being female without wearing make up and high heels and aiming to look 'sexy', of course.

But yes, some women do lean into sexualised presentations of themselves or try to conform to social conventions around hair style and dress codes etc. But beneath that they are female whatever they wear or however they present. Men who do that are not female, they are male.

Agp is a male only fetish.
Autogynophillia is when a male is sexually aroused by thinking of himself or seeing himself as a woman Ergo it preludes women.
A women getting dressed up and feeling sexy is completely different

Thing is we ARE being meant to be happy to see it, and clap and cheer in awe and delight, look at all the Pup play madness, BdM celebrations at Pride, and the ‘wonderful’ children’s book Grandpas Pride.. no wonder AGP males think this is what people want!

That is a gorgeous outfit! I would love to wear that.... but I would still not be getting the 'fanny gallops' for myself wearing it.

No…& I don’t even particularly like looking at myself (in mirror etc.) anyway. Never like looking at photos of myself either.
Have fun factoring that into this non theory.

I agree OP. Yes it is

I do find him fascinating though. He only wears historical clothing and makes a lot of it himself. I like his confidence in being so flamboyant. You can tell he genuinely loves the clothes.

I guess the self objectification that can be involved in a woman dressing 'sexy' is what is being got at by the OP.

I often think that some women go so over the top with the hair and the collagen and the trout pout etc that they end up out dragging even the most grotesque drag queen.

I bought it off the internet to keep my back warm when doing pottery as it has a long back. I love it.

No one is shouting you down. They've read your argument and disagreed with it. You don't want debate you want people to agree with your opinion. That is not open minded

Self objectification can definitely be a thing. Some women do go out of their way to present in exaggerated and 'sexy' ways.....but even then they remain female. Men who do the same are not female and never will be ,and in order to present in such ways also have to adopt all manner of poses and mannerism, looking very incongruous as a result.

Women dressing in such ways are deep down looking for love and attention by trying to conform to what they think is sexually desirable. Men doing it are engaged in a sexual fetish which can take over their whole life.

1st of all we're not anti trans were pro women. The fact that your 1sr assumption about us is so clearly false are you going to are you going to reassess the rest of your assumptions?
2nd Choosing to start a goady thread based on your misunderstanding (im being kind here) of AGP is not going to answer a question about we are capable of a reasonable debate.
3rd When you choose a question that has a yes no answer you cant complain when you get a yes no response.
And finally if you want a debate about women's rights vs trans wants start a debate, ask an honest question don't start a thread with a tired old TRA discredited gotcha

Nope.

But you tried. 🙄

Feeling sexy and being sexually aroused by oneself are 2 different things.

But ultimately even if they are the same thing it doesn't matter. The issue is not AGP, the issue is that AGP does not make you a woman or allow you access to womens spaces. The issue is that by validating the idea that a man with AGP is a woman you are unwillingingly participating in their sexual fetish.

If I feel sexy in a dress even if I feel sexually aroused by myself, I'm not asking strangers to validate me and then wanking about it in the wrong toilets