"A woman who is trans"

[AllThisFuss]

I've been noticing this terminology creeping in. Just thought I might highlight it, so we can keep up to date with their ever-changing attempts to control language and muddy the waters. Have you seen any in the wild?

IndiaWilloughby
‪@indiawilloughby.bsky.social‬
Not a mention of the woman who’s trans, who did nothing wrong. This ruling is in direct conflict with the Gender Recognition Act. How is this happening? It is wrong on every level, and will be used to push trans people even further out of society and into danger

I don’t know why some posters expect others to tone down their posts or that some should shut up.

Some posters have said they’re happy to use the pronouns some men have demanded be used, I won’t, but I will never tell them that they shouldn’t.

I am happy to use ‘he’ when responding to a particular poster on FWR purely because they engage with and totally support the rights of women and that’s because they are female and know they’ve not changed sex.
Since they joined in, posters have been able to ask the awkward questions that would be fairly impossible when face to face.

I very much doubt I would be able to pose a question to someone that believes wholeheartedly that by claiming they’ve fully transformed their sex to that of a woman I’d survive unscathed.

I don’t expect anyone to tone down their posts.

I also don’t expect anyone to tell other posters to let the men talk and keep quiet.

Yes. To whomever posted 'we are providing a service' - we are not here to provide any services for me. We are here for women.

Simply put, nor do I.

There's an irony of men creating the environment that has made speaking about trans ideology into a script - even here there has been pressure by mn and between posters to say and not say the blindingly obvious. Its taken years for us to be able to get anywhere close to being able to say what we need to here.

These men have utilised and probably encourage this both online and in real life, then its claimed this is the only place they can discuss their feelings?

Isnt this yet another example of women putting the work in when men simple cant be bothered and just using our labour for their needs?

This is so bloody true.

I've said before that I acquired 'late onset feminism', as a result of the trans issue. I was probably practising my own version of feminism, without having a name for it. But there is absolutely no doubt that automatically centering women was not my default.

If you'd asked me if men and women were equal I would say of course. And I truly believed it. But I wasn't raised to believe it. And that conditioning takes a long time to slough off.

So much so that it practically feels rude to do it. To put women first, to tell men to pipe down.

Ridiculous, isn't it.

Actually centering women can almost feel like you're out on a limb. Not quite safe, and rather unfamiliar. And, as it's historically been less effective, it doesn't feel quite as important.

Enter feminism stage left.

As they say, first of all it pisses you off, then it sets you free.

And that's quite true.

Unfortunately also pisses off a lot of other people.

And that's how you know it's working.

I think your input adds value just by the way your questions are ignored when you ask them.

Some posters just need to learn how to manage to follow the sub-threads which develop in any long thread.

I think your input adds value just by the way your questions are ignored when you ask them.

It's very revealing.

I have completely lost track of what is happening on this thread. Could a very kind person do a quick TL:DR? 💐

Two men cane in chatting shit. A poster told another poster to shut up and let them speak. Demonstrating very well everyone knows who a man is.

Thank you! 🌺

I am conscious that @CautiousLurker2 , a mother with a troubled child was finding the interaction useful.

I don't think posters should tell other posters not to post. I can recommend developing the habit of reading threads with one eye on the posts you are finding helpful and scrolling past the rest. I can also recommend hiding threads that you find unhelpful or a wind up.

I thought exactly the same.

Parents with trans identifying children will problably not get much out a discussion performed here between two men.

Its likely not real, as in theres problably so many lies involved. To get anything from it, we would need to know the people to have a hope of understand when they are lying to themselves and us, and when they are saying the truth.

Also, we know trans is a magnate for a wide range of issues, the chances of a children having anything in common with randoms on the internet is low.

That was me. Sorry, I should have appended a /s to my post.

I understand why you feel that way, but I find your cynicism quite shocking. I know I have been defensive at time and haven’t answered every question, but I am genuine in my doubts about my position and have answered questions honestly.

You don't understand why the female sex is cynical about the words and actions of the male sex? After centuries of female oppression? You genuinely, honestly, truly have no idea? Really?

You males really don't understand the effect your sex has had on the female sex, do you? You really have no idea. That's how ensconced you are in Male Privilege. You may mean well, you may be genuine, but you lack any awareness of your Male Privilege, and how the female sex are automatically wary of every single male. Especially males who breach our boundaries to begin with.

Whether you want to hear this or not, this is board to discuss issues related to the female sex. We are automatically, right off the bat, wary of your sex. It's the way of life. Just as chickens are wary of all foxes. Women are always going to be wary of the male sex. You need to first understand that and accept that as a starting premise, before discussing anything on here. It's nature.

I think the fact that you are "shocked" by this shows how ensconced you've been in your protective bubble of Male Privilege. That is not meant as an attack or an insult, but it does show your enormous privilege as the male sex. No one who has ever paid attention to history and how the male sex has treated the female sex over the centuries right to present day in the west as well as in Afghanistan, would ever, EVER be shocked at our cynicism. In fact, you'd expect it. I find it shocking that you are shocked.

Oh, thank fuck for that! 😂

Cynical?

Maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate.

Mate, you have the brass neck to redefine 'woman' to fit what you suit you, then claim you find my cynicism shocking?

Ha! Great minds.

"I know I have been defensive at time and haven’t answered every question."

Great that you admit this. Can you tell us then why we should think that you are here in good faith?

Please take note of the posts that point out that it is not appropriate either to use women as a resource that you feel you can use for your own benefit. Did you even once consider this while you got defensive when people pointed out the flaws in your arguments, your general ignorance about female people that you feel so expert about that you claim to be a woman and you ignored valid questions?

I find your ignoring of my questions cynical and quite shocking.

ETA.

You literally told me you don’t believe me when I say I can always tell.

but I can. Always.

wouldn’t really ever say anything in 99.9% if situations but that doesn’t mean you pass. It just means whether you pass or not isn’t relevant to the situation.

I agree, it should be avoided
I have seen this happen before in other places and on varied subjects, and however benign or kindly the person making suggestions thinks they are being it never goes well and can make other posters very upset.

I also really hope that the posters who have been upset here stay but I have left boards before so it's just a hope. And thank you to the women who are consistently centring women.

What's the quote about the fact that men who say they are women are listened to and taken more seriously than women, and that shows clearly who the women are? I've seen it knocking about but can't find it now I want it 🙄

Also noticed that I managed to miss the 'n' off of 'men'.

(It is true that FWR is not providing any services for me, and it's something that I do sometimes get quite grumpy about tbh, not even a long service medal or a cup of tea or anything, but the main point was that FWR is not for MEN.)