Is anyone on here trans-inclusive?

[plinkyplonk123]

Hi everyone, this is just a quick post to ask if anybody else on here is trans inclusive? I know I’m definitely in the minority here but I just wanted to see.

100% yes. As a feminist since the early 1980’s I fought against the stereotypes that told women how they should behave, live, dress etc. I therefore support and respect people to define their gender as they wish. I also see women on mumsnet trapped in unhappy and sometimes violent and controlling relationships due to the housing situation in this country. Similarly I see young people unable to leave home and people in good jobs unable to escape overpriced, insecure private rented housing. I think that this should be of much greater concern than which loo someone wants to use.

You didn’t answer the question.

Here it is, in case you missed it.

How many additional female people need to be subject to harm by male people with transgender identities before you fully support those male people being excluded from female single sex provisions?

There are no such things as 'trans-inclusive' or 'trans-exclusive' feminists. You got conned.

The problem you have is trans lobby is antifeminist. And so are you. HTH.

As a feminist that has fought against stereotypes I think it’s disgusting that women is reduced to a stereotype by the whole concept of transgender - if women is not biology what is it? I had seen no definition that isn’t circular or stereotype

I was excluded as a child for not conforming
and now I am to excluded from the groups of women or men because I don’t have gender identify

oh but I could take life limiting medication and major surgery and that might help people understand me better ? Nice . Bullying again

These offenders are males who identify as transwomen. Proving that the risk is there. Wearing a dress does not change Male Pattern Violence.

The issue isn't 'trans' inclusion. The issue is male inclusion. Transwomen are male (and almost all fully intact with penis and testicles male).

If a policy or law creates an increase in harm then it should be reviewed.

We can multitask you know. We can care about those things, and care also that victims of rape, DV victims and other sexual trauma victims don't self-exclude from society because there is no safe space for the female sex.

@plinkyplonk123 I am. We're in the minority in the sex and gender section of the site, but we are here!

Why would there be an increase since they have always been here ?

false starting point

A minority in real life too

It is very feminist Ig, isn’t it? To demand that safeguarding female people is solely dependent on an increase in violent crime being reported and convicted?

Imagine telling women and girls that they cannot have single sex provisions unless there is an increase in violent crimes, in an era where violence and sex offences are not being reported to the police for a whole slew of reasons including the lack of trust in the justice system. And that police forces have stated that they record gender identity not sex still.

Yet, apparently those demanding that increase in violence are the righteous ones.

Do you understand how the Supreme Court works?

Agree with everything. Just wanted to add that the focus on psychotherapy/psychiatry to treat gender dysphoria/body dysmorphia has been lost and is now trampled under "conversion therapy". It isn't conversion therapy, it's the appropriate treatment for a psychological condition.

This is how I feel too,

I have a trans friend at work; and I have made a real effort in supporting her choices. However, that doesn't mean I am supportive of putting women at risk in certain situations.

Here it is, in case you missed it.

How many additional female people need to be subject to harm by male people with transgender identities before you fully support those male people being excluded from female single sex provisions?

What about TIMs who just slap on some make-up and a dress? Is that a long and tortuous journey too?

Based on that definition almost everyone I would imagine. Not the answer you were expecting?

No one should have to feel unsafe.

therefore if trans identifying men don’t feel sale in male single sex spaces, the answer is for men to become more accommodating of differences in presentation.

The law has been the law since 2010, when the Act was brought in.

The SC merely clarified what (most of us already knew) the law always was. There has been no change in the law since 2010.

Here it is in case you missed it.

If a policy or law creates an increase in harm then it should be reviewed.

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You're assuming that other people don't care about these things?
To say that people who acknowledge biology and support sex based rights somehow forget or don't care about social injustices is showing the prejudices you never thought you had.

There is no legal basis for single sex spaces which aren’t actually single sex. The Supreme Court was clear that under the Equality Act, all “trans women” are and always were legally men. As well as men in every other sense.