Is anyone on here trans-inclusive?

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Hi everyone, this is just a quick post to ask if anybody else on here is trans inclusive? I know I’m definitely in the minority here but I just wanted to see.

I think these MRAs want it tested and tested and retested and tested and retested until they get the response they want. The total obliteration of womens hard won sex-based rights and spaces, to pander to males.

You really don’t understand how the Supreme Court works.

TRA never do do they

You might think that but it isn't true. 90% of MTF keep their penis.

I'm not comfortable with the inherent sexism that transgender beliefs require.

So, while I appreciate many vulnerable or naive individuals have been caught up by this belief system, I can no more accomodate their self image as inherently the opposite sex due to having [what they consider to be] that sex's mental characteristics than I can accomodate the self image of racists who see themselves as inherently better than some other humans simply by virtue of their skin, nationality or culture.

I’m trans inclusive. I have a close young relative who is trans that I’m working hard to stay in touch with. I have another more distant young relative I care about deeply who is NB. Both AFAB. Both included in all the usual events, loved and wanting the best for. And in wanting the best I’m sad one of them is poisoning their body with inappropriate drugs and aiming for inessential, life altering surgery.

Do I want men of any gender in women’s sports, prisons, rape crisis centres? No thanks. Do I think they should be safely included in categories with other men? Absolutely. I think it’s outrageous that they are excluded from men’s facilities by the bad behaviour of other men.

Think you’re answer is no OP. Though people who are haven’t been able to post without being attacked 👍

I am. Mumsnet is an echo chamber though so prepare yourself to be attacked, followed by two or three pages of smug, self-congratulating circle jerk bollocks.

I understand how the law works. You are describing how governments and people who want men in women’s spaces work. We are all familiar with those.

That isn't 'trans inclusive' I'm afraid. Being trans inclusive means accepting that a trans person should be included everywhere a non trans person of their 'gender' is included. That when a person states they are a woman or a man they are treated exactly the same as someone who is a woman or man (due to their sex).
If you don't have to be 'completely in support of everything', which things are you not allowed to be in support of? Because how can a transwoman be a woman sometimes (when you feel like it) and not others? How is that fair to anyone?
If you're taking a position that there are some exceptions you are not in any way 'trans inclusive', so according to your logic must be one of the 'demonisers'.

Me, I have limits but everyone deserves respect. I’m a big supporter of third spaces basically

I am going to describe the Supreme Court judges as amateurs going forward.

that’s actually wonderful. Rank amateurs. What the fuck do they know 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Please can we stop talking about third spaces? They already exist. They’re for disabled people.

it’s a fourth space. (Which I also support)

I’m not.

This perfectly sums up how I feel

The answer to "when does a trans woman get to be a woman" is never. They're trans women (males) and that's fine, but they're not women.

Same.

I am. I have trans friends who are lovely. Where people are concerned, I concentrate on the individual person and what they are like, eg are they kind, honest, intelligent, fun?

The attitudes on some parts of this site don’t reflect what people in general think.

That's not how the law works. The Supreme Court has interpreted it, that's their job. Everyone else now has to follow it, even the reluctant government.

What you are calling 'being attacked' is more like asking for clarification, or correcting misinformation. Not everything on a discussion board, which this is, is an 'attack'. If you don't want yourself to be challenged or made to think, and want only unquestioning agreement, maybe a discussion board especially the feminist section is not for you.

Tired of reading that being GC and working on the other concerns are mutually exclusive.
My whole career and much of my free time has been devoted to addressing the very issues you name.
Being GC doesn't distract me or divert me from that even slightly. In fact it's working with vulnerable women and understanding their need for single sex spaces, and the absolute need to recognise that being of the female sex brings challenges that can never be shared with people of the male sex that has cemented my view its harmful to women to treat some men as though they are women.
If we do this, it just adds an additional layer of complexity and risk to the work we are trying to do for women, makes it harder and less effective. It's because I care about the 'more serious issues' for women I can't include men in that definition.

US, or Scotland?

What do you mean?

I am in the uk, the legislation that was clarified covers England and Wales and Scotland (not Northern Ireland). What “US” do you mean? The Equality Act doesn’t apply in the United States. I’m confused.

I treat every individual with kindness and respect unless they give me reason not to, including anyone who says they’re trans, the same as I would anyone who says they’re Christian. It doesn’t mean I believe in their ideology or think people can change sex. I find the whole ideology regressive and nonsensical.

You go and suggest that on trans Reddit. Let us know how you get on.