Is anyone on here trans-inclusive?

[plinkyplonk123]

Hi everyone, this is just a quick post to ask if anybody else on here is trans inclusive? I know I’m definitely in the minority here but I just wanted to see.

I want everyone to feel happy with who they are, I will respect anyone regardless of how they dress/present etc. I will respect the pronouns they want to use. No problem at all. You should be free to live the life you want to live without harm or abuse.

I also don’t believe in being born in the wrong body. We are born with the bodies we have. There aren’t mistakes just reality. I find it really odd we fought so hard against gender stereotyping, pink isn’t just for girls, boys can like prams etc…. Yet the same ‘progressive’ people who advocated this now say…. Well he has worn a princess dress since age 3, has always preferred dolls and said he’s a girl so must be trans. Can’t he just be a boy who likes a dress? That’s fine!

Me

Inclusive of what? Be what ever you say you are without trying to strip others of their rights. Yeah, fine with that. Demand that your bullshit ‘rights’ supercede those of women? Fuck off.

Can you imagine how unsafe this trans-identifying woman felt on a locked men's psych ward?

No one is demonising all trans people. We certainly arenn't demonising her.

"Look, a squirrel!"

Well, you are hardly trans inclusive if trans people feel unsafe by virtue of your caveat on safety.

Despite your use of the ludicrous term "cis" which means nothing - you are actually just a big ole TERF. Or so TRAs would designate you. It's all or nothing with those guys

i'm generally leery of all people with serious visible mental illnesses.

Including transpeople in what? Games night?

Me!

I think there are many people here who just don’t understand and aren’t seeking to understand.

There are people saying ‘yes I am because I’m happy for trans men to be in women only spaces’. Either they don’t understand the terminology and mean trans women (and are trying!), or in fact they are not trans-inclusive because they are actually saying they DON’T support trans women in women only spaces.

Have you ever seen any trans men? I would feel much more unsafe if a ‘passing’ trans man wandered into the women’s toilets

Less than 8% have any surgery. Taking hormones and putting on a dress is not some 'brave journey'. It's not onerous. I don't think males, and fully intact males at that, should get all the support and females who need spaces without males get no support.

Why? Because they’ve got short hair, whereas an obvious (eg non passing, the majority) man who “identifies as a woman”, is wearing a dress and has long hair?

If your feminism prioritises males in female spaces, you're not a feminist.

And btw, we are male-exclusionary (we have not problems with trans men ie females), not 'trans'-exclusionary.

What don’t we understand, exactly? Why should a group of self selected biological males use female only spaces?

So you're saying caring about the safety of women and girls isn't 'trans inclusive'? Basically proving our point, one would think.

Trans women are fully intact males. Why would males be welcomed in female spaces? Especially where women and girls, DV victims, and rape survivors like me are? Answer that one please.

Trans men are females. So welcome in female spaces.

I think you have the terminology back to front.

The problem is you don't have the point you think you do as women aren't unsafe from trans people.

I don’t demonise anyone.
I honestly don’t give a shit what people do with themselves that doesn’t harm anyone else.
I think the world has bigger issues going on than whether males aren’t being treated fairly by barring them from female spaces (which they should be, because balance of rights).

Most of them don't pass. They look like small hairy butch women. They don't have a penis. I would feel safer with a fellow female - a trans man - than a fully intact male with male socialisation, male lived experience, Male Privilege and male genitals.

But that is including trans people isn’t it? And we should encourage men to include males with a trans identity in male spaces. No men, however they present in male spaces. And before you wang on about “transmen” and how no one can tell they’re not male so men will pretend to be female with a male identity, read the thread about the poor woman locked in a male psych ward. The men could tell instantly she wasn’t a man.

The point is it's about male vs female. Females are unsafe from males. Even males in dresses. And statistics from four countries show transwomen sexually offend 5 times higher than other males. That's what you aren't aware of.
You can't re-badge 1% of males, put them in a dress, and tell us they are no longer a threat. A male is a male is a male. And transwomen are the highest sexual offenders.

This.

I don't demonise the whole trans community as there are different reasons for people identifying as trans.

Some are AGP fetishists and/or predators.

But others suffer from body dysmorphia which is a distressing mental illness.

There has been a huge increase in girls and young women identifying as trans. Many are autistic, have mental health issues, and /or have suffered from abuse or trauma. Time to Think by Helen Barnes is very good on this. I feel huge sympathy for these girls and anger to the people who have groomed them into the cult.

Am I trans inclusive?

Transmen are women so I include them in the female sex category.

I will never pretend that a man in a dress is a woman, even if he gets fake breasts and has his dick and balls cut off.

Yes. They should be free to live in whatever way seems best to them, to the extent that this does not infringe the rights and freedoms of others. They should not be subjected to discrimination or marginalization. Their life choices should be respected. But at the same time, in the spirit of respecting the rights of others, they must acknowledge that they have not and cannot change sex, and that certain single-sex spaces belonging to the opposite sex are closed to them.

It is men who make women unsafe. And transwomen are men.