Is anyone on here trans-inclusive?

[plinkyplonk123]

Hi everyone, this is just a quick post to ask if anybody else on here is trans inclusive? I know I’m definitely in the minority here but I just wanted to see.

It certainly affects your rights as a female person, because if those rights were defined as "women's" rights at a time when "women" were by definition female, and someone later changes the meaning of the word "woman" to include male people because "trans women are women #NoDebate #BeKind", you have just lost all your female-specific rights, protections and even language and historic record without any discussion or consideration of how that may impact you.

Personally I think female people are worth more than that. I think we do deserve our own rights and language and to keep the connection to our history. But at the very least, surely we deserve an open and homest admission that defining trans women as women is more important than female rights and needs, and an explanation as to why that is.

Well that's what I was going to say!

The poster appears to have misinterpreted your question. It's hard to say why because it was a straightforward question.
Hope you are okay.

I can’t believe it @BettyBooper

i only asked because I wanted to ask some questions around practice when working with trans identifying young people.

honestly that’s all. And I’m typing on my phone and it’s a long thread and it is difficult to find posts from long ago so before I asked the question I just wanted to clarify.

instead of which I’ve been accused of all sorts of threats and the inference is that I have a prurient interest in trans young people.

what the fuck like.

I’m really not but thank you.

What would happen if a feminist woman posted in a largely trans-sympathetic space and asked about what they thoght about women's rights? Or did they exclude women?

Because, you know, where I have a problem with transactivism is that it requires women to give up their rights; it requires that everyone adjust their conceptions of reality, marriage, and the specifics of being a mother, or being a father.

Trans-inclusion will often (almost always) lead to female exclusion. Sportsmen taking prizes & places set aside for women. That EXCLUDES women.

I'm "trans inclusive" but only to the point where the trans ideology denies my rights and my existence.

Me.
I judge people by their actions, not by which genitalia they prefer.
It's a philosophy that hasn't let me down yet.

For the record I'm against all the gender identity batshittery, the sooner it's binned the better.

I'm autistic too, and I'm sorry that what I said made you feel so bad. Can you see that I felt the same way? In a thread where I've been repeatedly treated negatively & 'gotcha'd', can you see that asking a question like that with no hint as to why, could make me feel as If the intent was negative? If you'd asked the question you were going to, I would have answered. I hope this eases your negative feeling somewhat. And while I know that my reply was strong, I hope you can see I was trying not to be absolutist in my wording & leave room for the possibility that it wasn't a threatening question.

It's okay, I believe you.

I genuinely got the impression that @ForProudPinkPombear read something into it that wasn't there. It's easily done when emotions run high.

Try not to worry about it

Thank you. It's easy to forget that there is a person on the other end of the words. I'm sure your reply will do more to ease their hurt than mine will; I hope I & they can come to some kind of understanding however.

I NEVER not once “gotcha’d” you.

I did ask the question. At the point of writing this you haven’t answered.

I can’t see anything other than you were trying to bully me off the thread and make nasty slurs upon me by inference.

Sorry, cross posted with you!

The reply wasn’t “strong”. It called me threatening and inferred I had a sexualised interest in trans young people.

I will not minimise that by calling it “strong”.

I haven’t once insulted anyone or done any sort of gotchas. Not ever.

how the fuck could anyone do this to me? What did I do to deserve this?

Such an important point.

Women & girls are constantly told that they have to "change their ideas" about what is acceptable as a woman. Why are men exempt from this?

I run a mixed sex fitness class and it's 100% inclusive of any adult.

I have one regular who has some kind of transgender identity (I think they are still figuring that out, they are quite young yet). I myself am sometimes regarded as being under the trans umbrella due to being agender (subfaction 'I am not into gender at all but you do you').

So yeah cool for cats

(cat genders would have to remove their headpieces as the limited visibility does not pass risk assessment for this activity)

Born in the wrong body? How does that work?

Are you saying the brain is incorrectly "sexed" and so mismatches the body it inhabits?

So the body/genitals/gamates etc are sexless but a male can be born with a "lady brain", and a female can be born with a "manly brain"?

Do you really believe this?

Really?

I'm not arguing about anything like that. I wish people were more accepting & able to see that you can have a different viewpoint & still respect the autonomy of others. I have no interest in convincing people of things they have no understanding of, it would be a thankless task. It's a shame that you can't see that not every conversation has to be a competition. It's a shame that people's pain blinds them to kindnesses that will cost them nothing, but I understand it. It's a shame that people can't face the damage that they casually inflict on so many, in their pursuit of a goal that could be achieved without such.

If you are AuDHD, then paradoxically, you might benefit more from discussing this with some of the other women here, who are also autistic and have gone through periods of intense dislike of their female body.

I guess if I had a question, it would be around that; do you have any techniques or things that have worked for you around body acceptance?

Hmm... I never hated my body for being female, so I never really had to accept it, you know? It felt wrong, but not as distressing as, say, my being fat when I was a teen. Still, one thing that helped was to consider the transition as separate actions, and to weigh them independently, to find the exact right mix for me. In the process, I learned to take care of my body, to inflict as little damage on it as possible, and that felt good! It helped me reconcile with my body, and reappropriate it, so that now the remaining female bits don't bother me so much anymore.

Not sure that's gonna help you much, though, since you're non-binary :/

With the greatest respect, I absolutely did not see that implied at all. That is not what was said. 💐

It's a shame that people's pain blinds them to kindnesses that will cost them nothing, but I understand it. It's a shame that people can't face the damage that they casually inflict on so many, in their pursuit of a goal that could be achieved without such.

But what does this actually mean?
What "kindnesses"?
What "damage"?

It all sounds so lovely and floaty until you drill down and examine it. What do you mean?

Would be very interested in the answer to this.

Accepting of what?

What kind of kindness are you talking about?

What damage?

Can't be inclusive of something that isn't real.

I didn't say you had, I said it had happened. I've had multiple replies on here. If you want me to answer the question, can we clear this animosity up first?

I don't see how feeling that a question was threatening, when you were asking me a personal question in a post full of people who have, to varying degrees, issues around transness, is unreasonable? It made me feel as If you were going to follow up with something negative & personal. I have accepted your viewpoint & apologised that you felt distressed, wouldn't it be useful for you to at least try to see how I felt?