Is anyone on here trans-inclusive?

[plinkyplonk123]

Hi everyone, this is just a quick post to ask if anybody else on here is trans inclusive? I know I’m definitely in the minority here but I just wanted to see.

And the idea that treatments and surgeries should be a necessary gateway to rights has been rejected by the courts.

Well they can and do and I'm fine with that

And sex, like age is sometimes relevant.

Why do you need to use so many words & tactics to diminish me? I thought a good deal of this debate was about safe spaces, why do you get to determine the nature of those? It seems as if you think empathy is static, and primarily contingent on your opinions, to the extent that you'll avoid employing it when you feel it will undermine your viewpoint. I'm wondering which part of my reply you will focus on attacking, which further straw man will be employed.

Not WWWs, then? [Women with willies].

You literally cannot 'live as a male' if you are actually female.

What you are doing is imagining yourself to be male and presenting and acting in ways that you think look or appear stereotypically male to others. But there will always be clues, even then, as to your actual sex.

This - I think what we do need is community education so that people's attitudes change and society treats people who feel they were born into the wrong bodies as equals to such an extent that transpeople are happy to be their authentic selfs without wanting to be something they are not. ie its OK to be born into a male body and want to dress as a female rather than I was a male but now I am a female.
I want all individuals including the transcommunity to have rights and have these respected - but that also means I think women need to have their rights respected too like the protection of safe women's spaces.

The debate is not about safe spaces It's about single sex spaces

What are they doing? Are they taking out the bins in a particularly feminine way? feeding the cat?

My eyes have just rolled round a full 360 degrees

You seem to feel threatened and diminshed by any type of opposition or disagreement at all. It must be tough being so fragile?

What i'm doing is presenting you with my own perspective and view on the matter. This is a discussion board. I'm not here to pander to anyone's delusions or fragility. The world does not revolve around your feelings. This is an issue of great importance to many of us here and we are not going to capitulate to emotional blackmailing of any kind.

I don't actually ask anyone to use non-female pronouns, I don't care how anyone perceives me & have no control over it. I find it depressing when people willingly force their reality on me with no regard for how it affects me. I'm glad I'm able to understand nuance & difference & the complexity of humanity. And that it takes nothing from me to accept how someone sees themselves.

It's not a paper with very high evidence sadly. It's in a fringe journal rather than a high impact journal. The data is from an anonymous questionaire. That means it's self reported so no ones knows if any of the claims are correct.

There was nothing to stop anyone completing the questionaire with bogus claims.

I would like to see better research and more specific questions backed up with factual checks.

The authors should have at least considered this on the 'limitations' section but as it matched what they wanted to say they were prepared to overlook that.

Trans people deserve better research.

Indeed. This is why I now prefer to say that I present as male.

Please to put me out of my misery can anyone tell me what:
Living as a woman entails.
And,
What living as a man entails.
I want to check I'm womaning correctly.

This is no part of what I have said in any post or reply on here. I am talking about acceptance, not legality.

Empathy is a fluid and interpersonal matter. It is not an obligation and does not arrive on demand.

We are concerend with 'single sex' spaces, services, facilities and categories...not 'safe' spaces as such.

yes. I include trans men in women's spaces.

Is that what you're looking for, OP? did you get enough screen shots yet?

Surely this is satire?

I thought a good deal of this debate was about safe spaces, why do you get to determine the nature of those?

Did I imagine you saying this

and yet, here you are.

Oh, we understand alright. We are happy for transmen to be in female spaces, because they’re women (who might have short hair, “men’s” clothes). Therefore we are trans inclusive. We just don’t want the actual men (transwomen) in female spaces. Thanks for trying to help us understand though 🙄

What does acceptance mean to you?

You cannot demand personal acceptance from strangers. The operation of public places and spaces is predicated on clear and firm rules and boundaries. Sex is one of them.

well that is a TRA point, isn't it?

they don't give a shiny shit about transmen (unless they can use them to make a point about themselves)

it is ALL ABOUT letting transwomen men into women's spaces.