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plinkyplonk123 · 2026-01-15T00:25:38+00:00

Hi everyone, this is just a quick post to ask if anybody else on here is trans inclusive? I know I’m definitely in the minority here but I just wanted to see.

TheMorgenmuffel · 15/01/2026 12:41

"Basically just saying that you don’t demonise the trans-community as a whole. You don’t have to be completely in support of everything and obviously people shouldn’t have to feel unsafe"

Well yes, absolutely i agree with that.

Rewis · 15/01/2026 12:42

I guess I'm trans inclusive. Mainly I am in the camp of being confused on how so many people seem to have constant encounters with trans people in places where gender is somehow relevant.

nicepotoftea · 15/01/2026 12:44

ForProudPinkPombear · 15/01/2026 12:37

I have no answer for the legal questions that arise & rightfully arouse emotion.

"Find my sex an inconvenience"? Oh, you lucky, lucky person. This attitude & insistence that I am female is a source of pain to me that you would never, could never understand.

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Whether or not the fact that people can observe your sex causes you pain (and I accept that dysphoria exists), you rely on the same sex based rights as any other woman. As a pp posted, you cannot have legislation to protect against unlawful sex discrimination if you can't define sex.

You also rely on a definition of sex to have safe medial treatment.

SerafinasGoose · 15/01/2026 12:44

ThatBlackCat · 15/01/2026 05:21

So you're saying caring about the safety of women and girls isn't 'trans inclusive'? Basically proving our point, one would think.

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Agreed, @ThatBlackCat. And in response to those extraordinary 'arguments',
I've been raped - twice. I am not comfortable and do not feel safe in mixed sex spaces.

Whose safety trumps whose? And on what basis?

NB. the phrase 'weaponise your trauma' won't fly and is really offensive. PTSD/trauma responses do not discriminate however polite women are - in some cases because they're intimidated into capitulating - because 'it's harming no one'.

It's harming plenty. Women are people too, and our rights also matter.

RobinEllacotStrike · 15/01/2026 12:44

does "being trans-inclusive" mean you must agree either that people can meaningfully change sex, or that gender identity is more important than sex in society?

Do you think it is possible to believe sex is immutable & important in life & law and be trans inclusive?

Or is being all in on gender identity ideology an essential factor for being deemed properly "trans inclusive".

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 15/01/2026 12:45

Rewis · 15/01/2026 12:42

I guess I'm trans inclusive. Mainly I am in the camp of being confused on how so many people seem to have constant encounters with trans people in places where gender is somehow relevant.

Women could encounter, one, none or 10000, doesn’t change the fact they deserve single SEX spaces and sports. They have encountered many boundary pushing men though.

For the people in the cheap seats at the back, it’s a male issue. No one is bothered about trans men, except to probably feel very sorry for them.

Maddy70 · 15/01/2026 12:45

Yes I am. I respect anyone who is respectful towards me

FlirtsWithRhinos · 15/01/2026 12:45

Gretel346 · 15/01/2026 09:28

The claim was about trans women being at an increased risk which as the evidence shows are & not because they are male but specifically because they are trans.

"How is that females problem to solve?"

The same reason the sexual violence of women is the rest of societies responsibility. You don't sound like you understand the implications of not applying principles consistently.

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As you yourself posted, many subgroups of male people face increased risk.

Why is this risk argument only ever used to justify opening up women's spaces to the ones who claim to believe they are women? Surely if "risk" is a justification, applying principles consistently would mean accommodating all the subgroups of men in women's spaces?

Unless... it's not actually about risk at all, it is simply about these specific men's desire to be in female spaces and the fact they will use any argument they think will get them there 🤔

HeadyLamarr · 15/01/2026 12:46

ForProudPinkPombear · 15/01/2026 12:37

I have no answer for the legal questions that arise & rightfully arouse emotion.

"Find my sex an inconvenience"? Oh, you lucky, lucky person. This attitude & insistence that I am female is a source of pain to me that you would never, could never understand.

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You assum a lot about me.

My sex has been a source of great distress to me for much of my life - from sexual abuse age 5 through sexual assault, rape, discrimination at work, physical abuse... need any more details of the trauma I have gone through because of my sex?

And of course the not insignificant suffering of crippling period pain and a truly horrendous experience of peri menopause lasting 11 years and counting.

Most women have suffered distress on account of being female. It doesn't mean anyone can opt out. Because if we could have, believe me, we would.

RobinEllacotStrike · 15/01/2026 12:47

KoalaKoKo · 15/01/2026 12:40

Yes! I have had some lovely trans friends in university and have met lots of lovely trans people during my life time. The vast majority have been kind and friendly. I think people who demonise the trans community should read more about the science and also talk to more people who are different than them.

Unfortunately stats show a woman is most likely to be attacked by your ordinary run of the mill cis man and you are also more likely to be attacked by a man that you know. Transpeople are four times more likely to be victims of a violent crime, including rape and sexual assault, statistically they are much more likely to be the victims than the perpetrators of a assault. I have seen people post on here cases where a transperson committed a violent/sexual crime in a manner that suggests that they think that because one individual committed a crime that it proves the entire community are violent deviants. Imagine if we were to do the same and say that because a small number of women are sexual offenders that all women are sexual offenders - it does not make sense.

I feel instead of fearing or demonising a small minority (circa 0.5% of the population) that we should take time to talk to people who are different to us and learn about our differences, in doing so we may find that we all actually have a huge amount in common.

Do you think it is possible to believe sex is immutable & important in life & law and be trans inclusive?

RobinEllacotStrike · 15/01/2026 12:47

Maddy70 · 15/01/2026 12:45

Yes I am. I respect anyone who is respectful towards me

Do you think it is possible to believe sex is immutable & important in life & law and be trans inclusive?

Hoardasurass · 15/01/2026 12:47

TheDinoSoar · 15/01/2026 12:11

You seem to be confusing "men with special identities" and "trans people" here.

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No no confusion on my part
Nobody can change sex.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/01/2026 12:47

Bloozie · 15/01/2026 09:55

Me.

I'm a trans inclusive feminist.

And I'm not interested in explaining or debating my position with trans exclusive feminists. There's enough conflict in the world right now without going out and looking for it on here.

Of course you aren’t. I’m totally sure you have a great argument though.

ForProudPinkPombear · 15/01/2026 12:50

HeadyLamarr · 15/01/2026 12:46

You assum a lot about me.

My sex has been a source of great distress to me for much of my life - from sexual abuse age 5 through sexual assault, rape, discrimination at work, physical abuse... need any more details of the trauma I have gone through because of my sex?

And of course the not insignificant suffering of crippling period pain and a truly horrendous experience of peri menopause lasting 11 years and counting.

Most women have suffered distress on account of being female. It doesn't mean anyone can opt out. Because if we could have, believe me, we would.

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We aren't talking about the same thing.

AnSolas · 15/01/2026 12:50

ForProudPinkPombear · 15/01/2026 10:46

The number of people saying "what does trans inclusive mean?"... They know what you mean. It's beyond depressing that so many people feel such righteous indignation & pretend it is in defence of others when their prejudice & inhumanity is so clear. The people who are being murdered & oppressed & made to feel that their already difficult existence is an affront to the world should be the angry ones, but heaven forfend that anyone expresses their anger. Of course the issues around law are complex, humans are complex & problematic, but let us unite in finding humane solutions that are as inclusive as possible, progress society, find new ways to approach & discuss. And primarily, let that not be the focus! Acceptance & understanding must come first, because we know that isn't where a good deal of people are coming from, or are encouraging others to come from x

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Yawn

Why do you think its ok to remove single sex spaces?

RobinEllacotStrike · 15/01/2026 12:50

Dewberrywotsit · 15/01/2026 12:12

Completely trans inclusive. I don't take issue with people based on anything other than how they treat others.

Do you think it is possible to believe sex is immutable & important in life & law and be trans inclusive?

Abhannmor · 15/01/2026 12:51

Rewis · 15/01/2026 12:42

I guess I'm trans inclusive. Mainly I am in the camp of being confused on how so many people seem to have constant encounters with trans people in places where gender is somehow relevant.

I'd say that's because most people won't ever interact with a trans person outside of those places? As in literally come into contact. Their gender identity, pronouns , dress etc are irrelevant in a library , office , cafe, bus. Likewise their biological sex. But in a hospital ward , shower ,toilet the latter becomes a problem.

nicepotoftea · 15/01/2026 12:51

KoalaKoKo · 15/01/2026 12:40

Yes! I have had some lovely trans friends in university and have met lots of lovely trans people during my life time. The vast majority have been kind and friendly. I think people who demonise the trans community should read more about the science and also talk to more people who are different than them.

Unfortunately stats show a woman is most likely to be attacked by your ordinary run of the mill cis man and you are also more likely to be attacked by a man that you know. Transpeople are four times more likely to be victims of a violent crime, including rape and sexual assault, statistically they are much more likely to be the victims than the perpetrators of a assault. I have seen people post on here cases where a transperson committed a violent/sexual crime in a manner that suggests that they think that because one individual committed a crime that it proves the entire community are violent deviants. Imagine if we were to do the same and say that because a small number of women are sexual offenders that all women are sexual offenders - it does not make sense.

I feel instead of fearing or demonising a small minority (circa 0.5% of the population) that we should take time to talk to people who are different to us and learn about our differences, in doing so we may find that we all actually have a huge amount in common.

Like many others, I think your comments demonstrate a lack of thought.

As far as single sex facilities go, it's almost irrelevant whether or not somebody is trans. You can either have single sex facilities or mixed sex facilities. There is no other option. If you think a facility should be mixed sex, make that argument, but there is no point in a single sex facility that anyone of either sex can use.

I don't know how one would know the difference between a 'cis' man and any other man but statistics show that there are no differences in offending rates between different groups of men.

ForProudPinkPombear · 15/01/2026 12:51

nicepotoftea · 15/01/2026 12:44

Whether or not the fact that people can observe your sex causes you pain (and I accept that dysphoria exists), you rely on the same sex based rights as any other woman. As a pp posted, you cannot have legislation to protect against unlawful sex discrimination if you can't define sex.

You also rely on a definition of sex to have safe medial treatment.

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Thanks for continuing to force your opinion on me when I've told you it causes me pain.

TheDinoSoar · 15/01/2026 12:51

Hoardasurass · 15/01/2026 12:47

No no confusion on my part
Nobody can change sex.

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Noone is talking about changing sex here

Taztoy · 15/01/2026 12:51

Do I have a soul @ForProudPinkPombear ? How can you tell whether I do or not? What difference does it make whether you feel I have a soul or not? What difference does it make whether I feel I have a soul or not?

RedAndWhiteBlanket · 15/01/2026 12:52

ForProudPinkPombear · 15/01/2026 11:33

Here we go again with the 'we'. Sometimes I think you lot get together to strategise, then I realise you are all just copying each other

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Or we all have the same question. Which you are not answering.

RobinEllacotStrike · 15/01/2026 12:52

ForProudPinkPombear · 15/01/2026 10:46

The number of people saying "what does trans inclusive mean?"... They know what you mean. It's beyond depressing that so many people feel such righteous indignation & pretend it is in defence of others when their prejudice & inhumanity is so clear. The people who are being murdered & oppressed & made to feel that their already difficult existence is an affront to the world should be the angry ones, but heaven forfend that anyone expresses their anger. Of course the issues around law are complex, humans are complex & problematic, but let us unite in finding humane solutions that are as inclusive as possible, progress society, find new ways to approach & discuss. And primarily, let that not be the focus! Acceptance & understanding must come first, because we know that isn't where a good deal of people are coming from, or are encouraging others to come from x

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Do you think it is possible to believe sex is immutable & important in life & law and be trans inclusive?

itsthetea · 15/01/2026 12:52

I am respectful to anyone who is respectful to me

I don’t think that saying sex is gender and that woman is a gender not sex is being respectful

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/01/2026 12:52

ForProudPinkPombear · 15/01/2026 12:29

I didn't say that young trans people say that trans people are more likely to be murdered. I also didn't say that trans people are more likely to be murdered. But, for example, trans women of colour in the US are likely to be at higher risk of murder. Data has inherent limitations that some are trying to correct & evolve; the family of a victim, for example, may not identify them as trans. When some gender critical people feel safe to express their full opinions, and as a female-presenting feminist, around me they often feel able to do so, prejudice is rife.

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That’s because men of colour in the US are at far more risk of murder than white men.