Is anyone on here trans-inclusive?

[plinkyplonk123]

Hi everyone, this is just a quick post to ask if anybody else on here is trans inclusive? I know I’m definitely in the minority here but I just wanted to see.

Inaccurate & ineloquent.

It's not my opinion. It's just the reality of the material world in which we all have to live, regardless of whether it causes us pain.

@ForProudPinkPombear we’re going to have to unite in finding solutions where women’s rights and feelings are respected. That will be third spaces, no?

Fourth spaces

I feel instead of fearing or demonising a small minority (circa 0.5% of the population) that we should take time to talk to people who are different to us and learn about our differences, in doing so we may find that we all actually have a huge amount in common.

I'm a transman. The women here have been very enthusiastic in talking to me and learning from my experiences. They've been, in fact, far more curious and respectful of my opinions and feelings than the trans community was, back when I was still in it. And they've helped me understand myself in ways my fellow trans people never even tried to (because they couldn't, not without going against the orthodoxy.)

😩

That is so sad.

You must be confused because MEN are everywhere. And they are the sex class that commit the most violent and sexual crime.

Allowing all MEN to say they’re women and everyone thinking that is brave and wonderful is an absolute disaster for the safety of girls and women and a victory for any pervert, abuser and opportunist willing to brazen it out. And they’ll get cheered on by you. Well done. 👏🏻👏🏻 🙄

What is this science that says men become women? Or is there some other aspect of being trans that is explained by science?
FWIW, I've met loads of lovely blokes, but I still wouldn't invite them into the ladies, neither would I strip off in front of them in the changing room. I suspect a lot of women wouldn't. Neither do I want a man in a dress in the same spaces. I'm also going to state that I have been sexually assaulted in a place where I should have been 100% safe, I suspect many women have had similar experiences. It's why we have single sex spaces.
A feeling in a man's head doesn't take precedence over a female's safety.

You don't automatically or blindly accept anything without first questioning or exploring what it means or indicates - and especially when it conflicts with or tramples on the established rights and protections of others.

I see that PlinkyPlonk has indeed Plinky Plonked and ran...

It’s not about demonising anyone

its about treating all people fairly and with respect and acknowledging their differences

saying transwomen are men and behave like
men isnt demonising them - unless you think all men are demons ? Demons are not even real

Yes but their friend has come to play

If a transman is a man should she be given the same legal protections that you would have (if you are a human female) but men dont have?

Or should she not be given the same rights and protections that you have?

Where are these stats which show that women are more likely to be attacked by men who don’t identify as women than do? Because the proportion of trans identified men in prison for sex crime is higher than that of men as a whole.

Are you women-inclusive? Using the EqA confirmed definition of women?

Is it necessary for absolutely everything to be either one or the other, or would you be able to tolerate some things existing for both groups but separately so that inclusive actually is for everyone and not involving winners and losers?

If so, no probs.

Claiming a trans identity is claiming that you are the other sex we see it all the time
Transwomen are men
Transmen are women
Non binary is nonsense

FWIW, I've met loads of lovely blokes

From what I understand some women on this forum are even MARRIED to blokes!

They still want to exclude them from single sex spaces.

None of us is exempt from having to face difficult or painful realities, or views with which we are in disagreement. Over prioritising or centring personal feelings is part of the reason so many people now have mental health problems and a lack of resilience in coping with everyday life.

Yes, good point.

Re your final paragraph... we have single sex spaces precisely to keep out men in situations where women are vulnerable - changing rooms, public loos, prisons.

If any man can claim to be a transwoman and enter those spaces, the safety of women is jeopardised. We have seen example after example of that these past few years.

Men saying they are women can also be an actual danger to women in some sports - never mind using their inherent physical strength and the benefits of male puberty to take awards and sponsorship from women.

Trans people cam indeed be 'lovely' - I know someone- but no amount of loveliness can deal with these issues.

I find it really painful to discuss my trauma.

I find it painful to be told that I’m weaponising my trauma to excuse my transphobia.

being told it wasn’t about me it was about a trans person’s “internal cognition” was a particular highlight.

but I can’t stop others holding their own opinions and posting about them on the internet (within the talk guidelines).

I don't think you understand trans. We're talking about gender here, not sex. Different things, maybe have a read up :)

I have some lovely men friends and know lots of lovely men, including my partner. Doesn't mean I don't think there need to be any spaces where men cannot go.

I'm 47, I am non-binary, I want nothing but acceptance for everybody & I don't find it hard to moderate my language around others if I know it will cause them pain. I'm sorry you aren't able to do so.

So why do so many trans identified men claim that they become biological females if they take cross sex hormones?