Is anyone on here trans-inclusive?

[plinkyplonk123]

Hi everyone, this is just a quick post to ask if anybody else on here is trans inclusive? I know I’m definitely in the minority here but I just wanted to see.

Yes it does. It takes away the right to single sex spaces. It means that every time a man who thinks he's a woman is included in female sports, or has a scholarship, for example, intended for a female, then a female misses out. Why should a man be included on a list that's intended for females? It's not then a female list, it's mixed.
Men can wear dresses if they like, take hormones, have surgery, but they remain men and have no place in female spaces.
And don't get me started on the whole living as a woman mullarkey.

So you seek to have society "award" some humans have more rights than others based on their inner belief of their gender?

Are you sure you know what a hill is?

How is a fully intact male with penis and testicles, as at least 92% of transwomen still have, a 'woman'. Are these women, @sunshinemode ? Again, safety mode activated. Why should I, as a rape survivor, DV victims, other female victims of trauma, and women and girls in a state of undress see this in our female only safe intimate single sex spaces. Back yourself and tell us how it's ok to have fully intact males in our spaces.

Feminism is LEFT WING. Removing womens hard fought sex-based rights and spaces is right wing.

So you are saying that it isn't accepted on here to mock pronouns, for example? I should hope that on a thread like this some people would be supportive. I would hope that it would be a chance to express support. Bullies pick at specific points rather than addressing what is being said, use logical fallacies & harness emotive groupthink to attack. I'm AFAB, have experienced childhood sexual abuse, rape, sexual assault & have been in abusive relationships. And I say trans women are women just like trans men are men. I don't have the answers for the issues that arise around law.

With in reason yes. I have trans friends, I have a trans dc (adult) and other trans family members. I have nothing against trans people. I just don’t agree with trans women who haven’t had full surgery being in woman only spaces. I feel women should feel safe in woman only spaces, I also feel tran people should eel safe too and the only way that can happen is too have individual spaces (toilets/changing rooms) so no one shares these spaces.

I don’t really care what people identify as as long as trans women don’t claim to understand what real woman go through (periods, menopause, child birth, sexual abuse) because they just don’t. I will happily call someone ‘he’s, she, him, them’ but at the end of the day you can’t change what sex you were born as, you can only chose what gender you identify as.

The fact that you cannot, and will not, back your case as to why rape survivors and trauma victims should have fully intact males with Male Privilege and male lived experience, tells us everything. If you believed in the Ideology, you'd be able to defend it.

I can't engage with a denial of reality

It means that every time a man who thinks he's a woman is included in female sports, or has a scholarship, for example, intended for a female, then a female misses out.

I agree. And just to add to this: every time a man wins a woman's sports medal, ALL the women in the chain have to step down a place. It doesn't just affect the rightful winner. All those women have to move one step down to accommodate him, which means some will miss out on being placed altogether.

1. standing up for the rights of women and girls is not transphobia- this word is hurled around freely and designed to shut women up
2. as for be kind- only works one way
3. there's still some confusion around terminology; some posters using 'trans- identifying' interchangeably when referring to trans people
4. people ignoring seethlaw are not being trans-inclusive: seethlaw is trans
5. many of us have a trans person in our lives; I still dont believe one can change sex

Orwell - "the Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command"
I often feel like this is happening in real life. (that book terrified me)

Only Mens Rights activists could call feminists 'right wing' for not having fully intact males in our spaces. All that is missing is 'feminazis'. Oh, that's right; they're just shortened it to nazis now.

I’ve never mocked a pronoun in my life.

I’ve posted on here before where I’ve said that I used to be totally trans inclusive and I would always have been happy to use someone’s preferred pronouns.

my rape and sexual assault and being strangled til I wet myself changed that.

I don’t know how anyone can discuss women’s single sex spaces without considering the law.

Here we go again with the 'we'. Sometimes I think you lot get together to strategise, then I realise you are all just copying each other

And I say trans women are women just like trans men are men.

They aren't though. Not in any objective, verifiable sense.

You are free to believe that they are, but that's a metaphysical belief that cannot be verified, like belief in a god or the existence of human souls.

Why don’t you engage with the link that shows clearly the statistics on trans people being murdered at a very low rate in Western countries, or the trans person who is telling you that trans people are not in fact being murdered?

Regardless, are you going to answer the question?

Oh and sex is not assigned at birth! Please.....

I'm glad that is not your experience. I'm sorry that you can't understand that it is the experience of others. If someone is murdered because they are trans then it is a problem.

We're not allowed to say "we" but you can address us as "you lot"?

Make it make sense.

I don’t understand in what way trans identifying men are women.

I don’t feel like a woman. I don’t feel anything. I don’t have a gender identity and I believe me being a woman is based in my biology. I don’t wear skirts or dresses any more. Not ever. Nor do I wear leggings or elastic waisted trousers.

I have been told before on here that that is transphobic and me weaponising my trauma.

how is it? Can someone please explain to me? Because I genuinely don’t understand.

I obey the law and I don’t understand why trans identifying individuals don’t have to do the same.

I didn't understand it. Is someone being trans and agreeing with you your trump card?

Yes, people should not feel unsafe. So women should not be made to feel unsafe by men insisting on being in women’s only spaces.

Zero trans deaths in the UK in the last two years. Yet the female sex is murdered at 60,000 (sixty-thousand) per year. Trans are the most safest group out, and the most privileged, most protected, and most celebrated group out. Males are not being 'murdered', 'oppressed' or made to feel bad about their existence. But feminists are being threatened with rape, being curb-stomped, burned alive, beaten with baseball bats, all because we say no to fully intact hulking males in our spaces. Suggesting males in a dress are 'oppressed' is taking the piss and an insult to the oppressed female sex class.

We is not ok but “you lot” is?

edit coz I missed a word.

I think your perspective is based on a lack of thought, not tolerance.

the v remote prospect of seeing a man-looking man in the ladies

You can either have mixed sex toilets or single sex toilets. On what grounds would you be excluding any man from women's toilets? What is the point of a single sex facility that anyone can use?

plus I seriously worry about the effect this narrative is having on non-gender conforming women.

What do you think the situation has been till now? Do you think that people think they are men, but just don't mind, men using women's toilets? Does it not seem more likely that people think they are women?