Ofcom will now investigate Talk Tv re transphobia.

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Here we go again.

From Good Law Project:

We said we’d sue over Ofcom’s decision to dismiss 22,000 complaints about transphobia on TalkTV – now the regulator has caved.

But we had monitored its output for July 2025, a month in which it carried 11 discussions on trans people. And in every discussion, its hosts and guests consistently spouted transphobic views. TalkTV’s stance mirrors the broader editorial position of its sister newspaper The Times, whose toxic and intellectually dishonest campaign against trans people we believe to be a contributor to the rise in hate crime against them.

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Among my misdeeds, apparently, is that I said this on air: "By definition, if you’ve had to get a piece of paper to say that you are a woman, you must accept then that you are man."

I'm happy to be found guilty of defending women's rights and safety, knowing the actual law, understanding basic biology and knowing what a woman is. 🤷🏻‍♀️

I self-report that I understand myself to be a "woman" simply because that is the name for my body.

If, as you claim, this is not what "woman" means, then my self knowledge is that I am not a "woman".

There are lots and lots of people reporting the same experience. This is evidence.

Do you accept mydatapoint, this evidence? If not, why not?

I know we periodically remark on this, but isn't it amazing how male transvestism has completely disappeared from the culture?

As recently as ten years ago, it would not have been remarkable to say that a significant number of men cross-dress for reasons of sexual arousal. In fact it's long been known as one of the most common male fetishes. Now it's been completely memory holed.

Take it we’re not receiving any definitions @puppymaddness so it’s ok Wims (and @Seethlaw ) the definitions we already have still stand. A woman is an adult human female, a man is an adult human male and sexis binary and immutable.

I said that what makes a person trans is a difference related to the brain which causes a person to persistently , consistently, pervasively perceive themselves as other than their birth sex.

Which, again is different to the Stonewall definition, and what many trans people claim about their identity, so you are arguing for a narrower, more exclusionary definition.

From their site:

Trans

A term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.

Stonewall uses ‘trans’ as an umbrella term including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, genderqueer, genderfluid, non-binary, agender, trans man, trans woman, trans masculine and trans feminine.

There's no description of what type of feeling trans people need to feel to qualify. I would imagine that a non-binary or agender person, for example, would not feel as I do, that they feel inside as though they are the opposite sex.

A term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.

yes this is the same- what I have explained, is what the word "gender" means in this definition. That's all.

A non-binary or agender person would have the same- although it wouldn't be a perception or self as specifically male; it would be a persistent, pervasive , uncontrollable perception of self as other than their birth sex.

Have you not read it?

"A term to describe people whose gender is not the same as, or does not sit comfortably with, the sex they were assigned at birth.
Stonewall uses ‘trans’ as an umbrella term including (but not limited to) transgender, transsexual, genderqueer, genderfluid, non-binary, agender, trans man, trans woman, trans masculine and trans feminine."

Using their terminology, it includes any gender critical feminist.

Using their terminology, it includes any gender critical feminist.

No it wouldn't, what you are missing is what the word "gender" means in that definition- that is what I have been explaining/ filling in on this thread.

A man's gender will not sit comfortably with the sex he was assigned at birth, if he is sexually aroused at the thought of himself as a woman

Do I have a gender that sits comfortably with the sex I was assigned at birth?

No

Do I have a gender?

No.

I, along with I think many people on this thread, am very clearly agender.

You could correctly argue that I am being a little disingenuous, but anyone could follow the same logic to sincerely identify as trans.

Hard disagree. It's entirely possible to recognise oneself as male and still have sexual fantasies / be aroused at the idea of being a woman. Actually i have a cis male friend like this- he gets kicks out of wearing female clothing. His brain knows he's a man. He's not trans.

You could correctly argue that I am being a little disingenuous,•

I would/

but anyone could follow the same logic to sincerely identify as trans

They could. But why on earth would they? Other than a teenager experimenting for half a minute: It really wouldn't last that long, because for a start they'd get bored- it would be too tiring. People are trans only because they really can't help it.

Again, we can refer to the Stonewall website.

Gender
A person’s innate sense of being a man, woman, non-binary (see below) or another gender.

Gendered norms, roles and behaviours exist, which are typically associated with being a woman, man, girl or boy. These are often expressed in terms of masculinity and femininity, and vary across cultures.

A person’s gender is typically assumed from the sex they were assigned at birth.

I don't identify with gendered norms, roles and behaviours, and I don't have an innate sense of being a man, woman, non-binary or another gender.

QED I am an agender trans person.

Again, you can correctly accuse me of being insincere, but there is nothing in that definition about dysphoria or perception of self as a different sex. It's all about a personal sense of gender. Why should anyone read anything else into the definition?

We're not the ones saying they are trans🙄 These men are, and their TRA allies

I think we are deep into 'No True Scotsman' land

Or, I don't see myself as solely "masculine". I see myself as having characteristics generally seen as "feminine". I am therefore non-binary in gender terms, though unequivocally male. I don't know or even know of anyone who could not reasonably be described as non-binary. I'm also agender, because where I might fit in gender terms is of no importance to me.

I'm trans!! I hope you will all join in celebrating my identity!

You know... It's funny, because if you asked me if I have a gender, I'd say no. What I have is a mental map of my body as male. But a gender, as in, something relating to gender roles or stereotypes? No. I like the sight of myself with a beard, but I also like my fingernails painted all the colours of the rainbow, or long pretty earrings. I don't want to be a stereotypical man any more than I want to be a stereotypical woman - whatever those are - and it bums me that I can't adorn my body as I wish without people asking me if I'm "really a man after all".

People are trans only because they really can't help it.

Again I think your understanding of trans is rather limited.

Why should it need to be tiring? One doesn't even have to be trans all the time.

This man is trans on nights out in the UK.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jun/15/trans-australian-uk-britain-tolerance

Honestly, back in the day, it took more commitment to be a punk.

This unarguable fact is at the heart of why sex is now a protected characteristic. One can easily draw a bright line from the historic second-classing of women and girls based on their bodies through to the Sex Discrimination Act 1975 and from there through subsequent legislation to the Equality Act 2010.

it may be that sex is essentially an irrelevant feature, except in terms of biological differences, and equality provisions in which area it makes sense only to form that division based on biology.

it makes no sense in any kind of context - historic or modern - to provide sex based discrimination protections based on how people “feel”.

Can I ask what makes you such an expert on how, what and why someone identifies as transgender? Every trans person I know and every time it is discussed online there as many reason how and why they feel they know they are trans as there are trans people. Yet you seem to be the authority on it. Where can I find your research?

I think people on this thread should really read this. It's a very good account of how being trans has got nothing to do with stereotypes!

It is an account of Seethlaw's experience.

You have agreed that there is no requirement for anyone to have the same experience to identify as trans.

This isn't about me or my expertise.

I am just explaining/ describing what being trans is- a difference related to the brain/ psyche which causes a person to consistently, pervasively , persistently recognise/ perceive themselves (stonewall summarise this as gender) to be other than their birth sex.

It is not a theory or ideology, or a projection of stereotypes, it operates at a much more fundamental level of the psyche. It is not a type of sexual perversion. There is no evidence of any treatment through which it can be "cured".

You can take it or leave it. But this is what being trans is. In the real world. There are people like this , through no fault or misdemeanour of their own, with all manner of ideologies and beliefs (we have a gender critical one on this thread). It's a variety of human diversity and it needs to be recognised and accommodated in society.

So what about late onset prison dysphoria then?

I think people on this thread should really read this. It's a very good account of how being trans has got nothing to do with stereotypes!
....for Seethlaw

You see Seethlaw as a genuine trans person because she has a mental map of herself as male. You dismiss all other iterations of trans identity because they threaten your pure definition.