Would a biological woman identifying as a trans woman be accepted in the trans community?

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Just curious really if this is something that happens. And if not, what the argument (by trans people) would be against it. Sorry if it’s been covered before. Just been working through some stuff in my head and started to wonder about this!

She might feel that her 'true self' is a male person who identifies as a woman. Why not?

When i was young I used to imagine, in certain sorts of circumstance, that inside I was a man who fancied other men. I am female and heterosexual.

All kinds of psychological identifications are possible.

I didn’t say that’s what they were to me, just because they said they are it doesn’t make them a biological woman. I said if they told me they’re female then I’d just go with that (not that I think they are). It would be more of a ok you’re telling me your female (or male whichever way they’re going) I can clearly see your not but out of respect for however you want to live your life I’ll go with it for the sake of having a conversation or something simple like that.
I couldn’t comment on any intimate exams because I’ve had a male doctor exam breasts to check for breast cancer, I had a male doctor deliver one of my babies and also another male doctor for a different breast issue. They were all male and just doing their job.

But you did. You said if anyone said they were female you’d accept it. So by your logic if you ask for a female HCP but a male shows up saying he’s female, you’d accept that.

Again, that’s nice for you, that you have had good experiences with men, you are comfortable around them in undress, and you are confident to decide for yourself that you will either accept or deny their statement of gender and bear the consequences.

Ive had a breast and post birth exam from men, one was fine, one was very awkward. But I think if it was a man dressed as a woman doing it and I was supposed to pretend he was a woman, I would wonder what on earth was going on and ask for a chaperone at the bare minimum. Luckily I feel able to expect and demand good care, and complain if it’s not acceptable.

But other women are not in the position we are in.

It was not nice for me, I wouldn’t say they were good experiences, certainly wasn’t comfortable and definitely not confident in the situations. Like I said I can’t comment on intimate exams, I don’t know how I’d feel if a trans woman were there to do it, possibly decline it but I don’t know it would just depend if I felt comfortable or not

So maybe you would accept them saying they were female, or maybe you would not. It depends. But you feel able to decide for yourself and speak up. Not everyone does.

I would accept them saying they’re female but I might not accept their help/service or whatever it is they’re there for. How would I know that I’d be able to speak up for myself, I wouldn’t know, maybe I’d feel intimidated and stay quiet.

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Oh I see, you’d go along with the pretence of femaleness, in words, for politeness, but in reality it would make a difference if they were actually female or not. How you treated them would not be the same as an actual boring normal woman, and it would be hard to express that without using words that contradicted them being ‘female’ if you wanted to decide for yourself about something. You would have to say, I’m sorry Im not comfortable with a man in this space, or whatever.

The discomfort and intimidation of having to cross a potentially angry, potentially mentally unstable man is really difficult.

It would be better if no one had to, and it was normal to refer to men as men, women as women without any fuss or anger, women would feel more comfortable setting their boundaries then.

Could a woman identify that yesterday her feet felt male but today they detransitioned?

If this isn't possible, how does Eddie Izzard flip back and forwards?

It doesn't sound very inclusive, does it? 🤔

So, when a man dresses as a woman he is no longer just a transvestite, whether he is gay or straight or has meat and two veg is irrelevant to whether he is biologically a man.

Despite mental delusion or dressing up boxes, biological sex does matter.