Would a biological woman identifying as a trans woman be accepted in the trans community?

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Just curious really if this is something that happens. And if not, what the argument (by trans people) would be against it. Sorry if it’s been covered before. Just been working through some stuff in my head and started to wonder about this!

I’ve had similar thoughts… why not be a trans transwoman? That is, born female, but identifies as a man identifying as a woman.

But your gender corresponds with your sex so there is no transition. You are biologically a female, you’ve struggled with female issues that only a biological woman can experience and having those problems doesn’t make you any less of a woman

That's hillarious.
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Why not? If their are a man who identifies as a woman, doesn’t that make them trans?

The argument would have to be that biological women can’t be men. I can’t see how someone supportive of trans ideology can run that one.

There has been the occasional one on twitter too. I think one was Australian. Each time the women were told how they simply could not be and that they must be just mocking transwomen.

You could not make up the response.

Surely if this is my lived experience it should be respected otherwise it’s transphobia and an actual genocide?

<wide eyed innocent stare>

This is the most beautiful piece of absolute nonsense.

I stand with the circumgenders

Hmm, cunning. And no reason why not, in the context of trans insanity.

In identify and intersectionality terms, cis transwomen (the male ones identifying as women) would have more privilege that trans transwomen (women identifying as men identifying as women) because the trans transwomen have the additional burden of having to prove their transness.

But if they say they’re trans then they are surely? I mean, aren’t we supposed to believe people when they state their identity?

There's a reason for that ...

Brilliant!

Y'mean the biotrans communidee? They're out there & wouldn't you know it, the LGBTQIAS2S+ are resisting their overtures, the exclusionary bigots!

When I was feeling mischevious the other day I considered starting a TransQueer movement for people who feel they align very strongly with LGBTQIA2S+ values and lifestyles but unlike the priveged CisQueer are
not themselves L, G, B, T, Q, I, A, 2S or + , meaning they are not seen as their true selves by the Queer community.

That's detransitioning

@quickquestion12345 "Feeling born in the wrong body but identifying not as a straight man but as a feminine man who enjoys face cream/ masks/ pedicures/ ‘women’s films’/ clothes/ make up. If we are told these things define our gender, then why not just stay a heterosexual woman?"
Exactly! My DH loves romantic comedies and spends mucy more time and money on his looks and clothes than I do. My idea of hell is shopping while he enjoys it. Should I tell him we got it mixed up and we should just switch gender in order to make it right?

It's so ridiculous. I wanted to be a professionnal football player growing up and I was "one of the lads" because I loved running around playing rough. If someone put the idea in my head back then that I could chose being a lad (despite the fact that I had a crush on one) I would probably have jumped on it. Luckily this shit didn't exist back then and I had feminist parents who told me and my siblings that the sex we were born with was not to define our interests nor our aspirations. I can still remember my dad complementing me for being strong and fast and my mum for being intelligent. So I find it sad when girls get reduced to only "pretty".

So by not accepting biological women to identify as transwomen it confirms that transwomen are a subset of men rather than women. Or is the idea that they are both?

I’ve thought about this recently, more in the context of asking someone who believes TWAW if I (a woman) could be a TW. I’m guessing their answer would be no, in which case I’d love to hear the rationale. Because if the answer is no because the only way to be a TW is to be a man in the first place, I don’t see how they could argue that TW are anything other than men.

of course if the answer is yes, I could become a TW, then it would be fascinating to hear what that would entail.

I genuinely hope I get the chance to ask this question.

(edited for sentence that made no sense)

With a serious head on:

TWAW-type genderists don't consider a male bodied person to be necessarily a "man" . They think "man" and "woman" are types of personalities that have been incorrectly believed to be determined by ones physical sex.

So a "trans woman" in their belief system isn't "a man who is a woman", it's "a person who is a woman but doesn't have the traditionally expected body of a woman".

Real women ("cis" women in genderist language") can mever be trans women because real women have the traditionally expected body of a woman.

If humans had three sexes, male, female and chibble or something, male women and chibble women would both be trans women. (Serious hat slipped a bit with chibble but it illustrates the principle.)

Any GC logic that associates trans women being male-bodied with them being men will fail in genderist terms because they don't see the two as synonymous. To demonstrate the flaws in genderist logic you need to show that it is internally inconsistent.

(Which is it BTW, in so many ways. The most fundamental being "If society was wrong to assume "women" means female, surely all the "women"'s things that were created based on that assunption are the wrong things? So how come TW so desparately want them when they literally reject the whole concept of "woman" that they are based on?")

Trisha Paytas had a go at it:
There's probably a thread on it.

But but but ... transwomen ARE women. So appropriating WHAT exactly? Womanhood?

Imagine - women appropriating womanhood! Shocking! Burn the witches.

Could a biological woman identify as a trans woman who identifies as a biological woman ?

Julie Andrews might have got there first in Victor/Victoria.
Not seen it for years, did she trans trans for economics rather than kicks?

That was my first thought. Just do a double-reverse self-ID and Bob's your uncle!

But in the upside down, can't one just identify as anyone or thing one likes?
I'm a biological woman, who identifies as a male, who identifies as a woman. Therefore I'm a trans woman. (With an extra step on the way)
Why not?