Would a biological woman identifying as a trans woman be accepted in the trans community?

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Just curious really if this is something that happens. And if not, what the argument (by trans people) would be against it. Sorry if it’s been covered before. Just been working through some stuff in my head and started to wonder about this!

Very meta to identify as something which is (by definition) identifying as something else.
Would it cancel out in the way that multiplying a negative number by a negative number gives a positive number?

You can be a furry unicorn and change sex if are happy lying. Thus, you could theoretically say you're a man pretending to be a woman. With lies anything is possible.
The truth is restricted to facts and makes sense.

Not necessarily.
Born a woman, transition to a man, feel you are a woman..transition to a trans woman..... It's not de ..or going backwards .just keep going forward..
Maybe feel you're male a while later.. become a trans man.. just keep moving.

Isn't it fluid anymore? You can't argue that it's fluid from mtf, ftm. And that it's fixed. That you can only go one step forwards and backwards and not just flow eternally?

If TMAM then if they decide they are now women, they can only ever be transwomen.
So...according to trans theory. Biological women can be trans women !

Sounds like a right headfuck, is what it is.

Indeed. Not particularly right in the head. Therapy doesn't always work. But coercing the rest of society to adapt to someone's mental illness no!
I'm past caring about tims. But all the women and young girls who have had mastectomies. What this ideology has done to them is unforgivable. They may be able to get breast implants again later but what about the psychological harm caused so far?
I may not be around to see it but I hope that all those that were complicit get imprisoned and made to pay for the harm they have caused.
The TRA keep saying that society will adapt. No. Society will recognise this as one of the greatest medical scandals and madness in history

WHY ARE YOU SO OBSESSED WITH OTHER PEOPLE'S GENITALS? You should probably see a therapist about that. It's no concern of yours what's in a transwoman's pants. Bigot! (Etc, etc, etc.)

Trans people don't transition because they feel 'less of' though, they feel that their biological sex is incorrect, or incompatible with their gender identity. They transition to the gender they feel is correct.

A woman cannot be a trans woman, because there has been no transition. I imagine the trans community wouldn't accept a woman as a 'trans woman' because there's no logical reason for anyone to identify in such a way, other than to wind them up.

They would have been right though - The only reasons a woman would claim to be a trans woman (especially online) would be bad faith/mockery, or in an attempt to profit from it like those two OnlyFans girls.

As strongly as many of us may reject the concept, I think you'd have to be quite ignorant to believe that every trans person has nefarious intentions.

Oh, I dunno, @Kimura. They're always telling us we do womanning wrong, they're more of a woman than we'll ever be, and they've earned their womanhood which makes theirs more womanly.

Like OP (I presume) I have PCOS. This has often been proposed as a direct analogue of transwomanness and certainly, at various points during my (in)fertile years, made me feel not quite as female as I should be.

It's not totally unreasonable to suppose - within the trans paradigm - that women like ourselves might be justified in seeking to validate our female identities the same way male women do.

Oh, I dunno, @Kimura. They're always telling us we do womanning wrong, they're more of a woman than we'll ever be, and they've earned their womanhood which makes theirs more womanly.

They're not all doing that though are they. I have no time for the ones that are, and I won't tar the rest with the same brush.

It's not totally unreasonable to suppose - within the trans paradigm - that women like ourselves might be justified in seeking to validate our female identities the same way male women do.

I'm not sure I understand how you identifying as a 'trans woman' - something you insist isn't a woman - would serve to validate your female identity.

Trans women are seeking validation/recognition as something they don't naturally possess. I genuinely can't think of a non-bad faith reason for a woman to identify as a trans woman.

Yes because non-binary is a category of trans.
not all trans is one to the other.
(according to my uni student with trans friends)

I'm not sure I understand how you identifying as a 'trans woman' - something you insist isn't a woman - would serve to validate your female identity.

It wouldn't. I'm debating within the paradigm. If I'm a woman but my body doesn't meet the usual expectations of a female body (can't gestate, androgenised), I meet the criteria for a transwoman by their own description, don't I? I'm a woman but my body doesn't meet the usual expectations of a female body. Being 'trans' is all about validating female identity despite that.

PCOS is a type of intersex.

Indeed! Fausto-Sterling backtracked on that but it's hung around like winnets on a Persian cat's arse. Much like the term 'intersex'.

So you are saying only a man can become a “ transwoman”? And therefore they are not women? I do agree.

I’m confused. So you are saying only”transwomen are women” but that women cannot be transwomen? So therefore transwomen are not women though are they?

If I am a woman with short hair and I wear men’s clothes - I can then transition into loving like a laydee. I can grow out my hair long and wear uber feminine clothes.

Thats about the height of most people’s transitions. Some clothes. A few more take some hormones. Very very few do surgery.

So changing clothes is transing - and it’s valid. I mean all this self-id bs says I only have to think therefore I am.

So I can just think I am a woman who is a man who wants to be a woman. As gender identity theory is subjective made up nonsense - this comfortably fits into the spectrum.

It's amazing how offensive and wrong people can be in just six words

True. Big giveaway in the title - it’s the ovaries that mark you out as an old fashioned die in the wool woman.

Trans people don't transition because they feel 'less of' though, they feel that their biological sex is incorrect, or incompatible with their gender identity. They transition to the gender they feel is correct.
If there are two competing realities, that of the physical reality of the body and that of the feelings in someone's head about their gender, why does one reality outweigh the other? And why is everybody else expected to go along with it?

Where have I been obsessed with people’s genitals? Or have I just pointed out a simple fact there’s no transition needed? That doesn’t make me a bigot. Do you need a therapist? Judging by your comment I think maybe you do because I know I certainly don’t
Also I don’t care what’s in a trans woman’s pants but there’s not trans women in the OP she’s a woman!!

@GarlicHound @Namelessnelly@YouCantProveIt yes I think you’ve articulated what is tumbling around in my head!

Either sex matters or it doesn’t. Either there is a biological reality or there isn’t.

I don’t see how an argument that gender is more important than sex can exclude someone from identifying as a gender on the basis of their sex.

Oh @Coconutter24...

Seems I should've used a bigger signpost.

Or maybe just right clearly exactly what you’re thinking? Reading all your comments I can’t work out if you agree or disagree with OP

If this were a medium in which 'trans' ideology had never been objectively discussed and concepts like sex and gender had never been analysed, I would start from the ground up and explain clearly in small, logical steps. I did that thousands of times during this explosion of insanity.

To my eternal gratitude, a forum exists where I can right write exactly what I'm thinking, which often sounds like "OMFG, haha, this just keeps getting more ridiculous! Jeez, will this nonsense never stop?!" That forum is this very message board, whose users are already familiar with genderism's long-repeated nonsequitur catchphrases. This board doesn't require primary-level clarifications.

You're not exactly a newbie here, Coconutter, so I'm surprised you didn't recognise the 'genitally obsessed pants inspector' cliché. Never mind. It's all good. 🕊