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Katie Lam and Pochin from Reform spouting stuff that makes me feel sick. Looking at all the glossy goons like Kristi Noem and Pam Bondi surrounding Trump. I am predicting that Erica Kirk will be the first woman President or perhaps more likely Vance’s Vice President. I’m not talking about women who would like to pay less tax, or Theresa May, but those who rise in extreme right wing circles.

I’m working my way extremely slowly through Andrea Dworkin’s ‘Right Wing Women’. Has anyone else read it? I don’t have any conclusions about this yet…

It's odd, because an awful lot of wc families are mixed race. And I would say it's been that way for quite a long time. People living in fairly mixed communities, going to mixed schools and workplaces. And so they get married, have kids.

I know there is a certain type of person who seems convinced that the people in these relationships are still deeply racists - just like black or Asian the conservatives must be secretly self-loathing or racist themselves.

but it starts to seem like a lot of having to assume that the simplest explanation - that they are not racists - is not the true one, and instead there are weird conspiracies involved.

I’ll link the Unherd video directly as it really is jaw dropping, and worth 20 odd minutes of your time. Key takeaway is that “promoting an adversarial narrative” that they don’t approve of, regardless of its factual basis, is considered “disinformation” by the “Global Disinformation Index”.

I'm not sure advertising is "commercial reality".

Adverts are a product created by the advertising industry, advertising agencies. Those in the industry regard themselves as 'creatives', and that traditionally is a (sometimes far-) left-leaning endeavour (think of all those Hollywood types and how many have transgender children).

I also think there isn't a full appreciation of how DEI distorts industries dependant on raising funds from the market. To cut a long story short, those lenders willing to lend to the creatives tend to attach strings to their loans, namely that the creatives conform to the flavour of DEI that the lender's HR Department imposes. Similar to how companies fell over themselves getting onto Stonewall's 'diversity champion' list, now they all clamour to be 'B Corporations'. And to be accredited as such, they have to sign up to to all manner of behaviours.

TV adverts are regulated by the ASA. Are they as captured as the lenders? I don't know, but I don't see why they wouldn't be.

So, we've got advertising agencies, lenders, and the ASA all pulling leftwards. And part of that leftwards pull is likely 'affirmative action' - also known as 'reality be damned, make the world look how I want it to be'.

It's not a conspiracy, just a cascade of leanings. The creatives want to be right-on, the lenders want to be B-Corps, and the ASA are virtue-signalling. But the end result is that majorities are ignored in favour of promoting minorities. And British society is portrayed as a lot less white than the actuality.

Was anyone else surprised to learn that only 4% of Britons are black? I know I was. And I wonder if that's because I've seen so many adverts, and absorbed them, that I've been misled about my society.

I'm not white and misguided people like you are absolute poison to race relations. I think that the British are remarkably tolerent and fair minded but what they want is for the law to be administered fairly and evenly. The fact they can see it isn't is not racism and I'd suggest you wake up to this fact, unlikely though that is.

What's wrong with this 'analysis' is it lacks perspective. Harris lost the popular to Trump only by 2 million votes & a couple of hundred thousand in total in swing states, the same amount as Clinton lost to Trump. Trump lost to Biden by 7 million votes.

When you consider Harris had only 100 days to convince voters that she was presidential material despite being given no substantial role to play as VP & a black woman with California baggage was quite impressive.

It's also important note that many post Covid governments got the electoral arse overwhelmingly because of the record inflation that ensued. Harris being VP was attached to Biden's economic record.

Exit polls in all the governments that went down show the same issue being the straw that broke the camel's back: 'The economy' which is usually the culprit hence the famous quote 'It's the economy, stupid'….

If Trump or Starmer can't make headway on the economy they will likely suffer the same fate however many immigrants are deported.

I have just seen this comment. I think one of them apologised, not sure which. (And I can't stand Reform and Farage.) Afaik the mix in adverts is so that they appeal to all demographics in the target audience?

Afaik the mix in adverts is so that they appeal to all demographics in the target audience?

Not all demographics are represented though. Pregnant women, the disabled and the elderly are rarely seen. These groups all buy stuff.

Unless advertiser think people are represented by their skin colour alone?

Great point

You do know why we have secret ballots, don't you?

When you consider Harris had only 100 days to convince voters that she was presidential material despite being given no substantial role to play as VP & a black woman with California baggage was quite impressive.

The reason she only had 100 days is -yet again- down- to lying and misinformation. If the Democrats and the US government wouldn't have been so hellbent on lying that Biden was up to the job and his health wasn't failing (while everyone with eyes to see and ears to hear knew this was not true) she'd have had more time. I still don't think it would have made a difference, might have collapsed the Democrat vote even more.
Why does the (current) left fear the truth so much?

According to the BBC, Channel 4 say that 51% of adverts featured black people in 2022 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd7rg7wjvgvo According to the government, in Dorset, to take an out of London example, 6.1% of people are from an ethnic minority.

The media is primarily London based with a few outposts in other big cities. I don't recognise the world the advertisers portray which strikes me as being a bit daft because the advertisers are missing a market.

Noticing this and thinking 'hey, where do I fit in' doesn't make anyone right wing. However, cities predominately vote labour so I wonder how much of an unconscious bias there is towards the left wing?

This is why it should be a matter of public record what political party people vote for, I want to know who it is I live amongst that voted out my right to bodily autonomy all because they thought the left were too ‘woke’ or what have you.

Well that’s horribly scary and creepy that anyone would think that, let alone say it out loud.

For once the use of the word fascist would be justified.

Its a politics of control, rather than equality.

Control the narrative, you control the people. Control the people, you can create whatever world you think best.

That must be appealing to both ideologues who think they definitely know the One True Way, and to grifters in search of power and self enrichment.

If you believe strongly enough, you can probably manage to be both. Strong, committed defender of the people (against those 'scum' you so despise) who is also deserving of a few little extras like gifts of designer clothes and concert tickets.

It does depend on reducing people to the status of livestock, othering and dehumanising them, and sacrificing all notions of fairness, truth, and justice. For the cause, of course.

Many controlling and abusive men would relish this proposal.

And women too because wrong 'uns come in all sorts of varieties. It's just that talking about some of them allegedly makes you an -ist, a -phobe, and quite possibly a stinky poo pants as well, because that's the level of the argument.

It does fascinate me how many people seem convinced that they know all about my motives for doing things when half the time I'm running on gut instinct and then trying to work backwards to work out why I feel that way. ATM, my gut instinct is to slither gently away from the overly dogmatic because running attracts attention.

And always will be.

Are they racist though? Or are they not feeling included because when you skew the odds in favour of one group you inevitably skew the odds against another group? I noticed this around the time of the Brexit campaigning and ever since, and it seemed to be me to be a pro-city and university educated bias along with a healthy dose of snobbery.

There again, my degree came via the OU and I don't live in a city, so what do I know? Apart from that advertising and the media doesn't make me feel 'seen'.

This is why it should be a matter of public record what political party people vote for, I want to know who it is I live amongst that voted out my right to bodily autonomy all because they thought the left were too ‘woke’ or what have you.

WTAF, this has left me speechless 🤯

Advertising suddenly added visible black people post BLM, belatedly addressing the fact they'd long fixated on white.

Clothing models- for a season - were virtually all black (Asian models were still mostly not included) - but people of all skin tones want to know how clothing/fabric colours look against their skin, and now the models are mostly a range of ethnicities. Which is more helpful for everyone.

There's arguments about representation, some sociological and political, and some about advertising psychology and the bottom line, the latter of which are probably going to shift things fastest. Because of course the real point of advertising is money.

I've not read up on what this Reform woman has said, but I wonder if she's pissed off at the dishonest and manipulative aspects of advertising pretending to be all about EDI, when it is supposed to be about being straightforwardly manipulative and dishonest?

"Why does the (current) left fear the truth so much?"

The dems like any party made strategic errors particularly in not forcing Biden not to run for a second term. Why that was was maybe due to many reasons including thaat they couldn't unite on the matter, donor pressures & the fact that Biden although ageing was not at the state of serious decline initially. It sounds like they were seriously attempting behind the scenes to persuade him not to run but were unable to until it was too late. Obviously they attempted to achieve his voluntary departure out of respect AND political survival behind closed doors rather than in public.

That parties gild the lily from time to time to avoid political fall out isn't exactly exclusive to the left. And that you can sit there with a straight face after the monumental damaging deceit of the Bush & Trump administrations & claim the "left fear the truth" is …..delusional.

The example I go back to is those ads on street harassment that Sadiq Khan's administration has produced, urging men to say "maaaate" when they see it happen.

When you watch the ads back to back, there's one thing you can't help noticing. They all feature ethnic minority women being harassed by white men.

I know why they did that. On one level I even sympathise with why they did it, because instinctively you don't want to spread negative stereotypes about minorities. But once you notice if, you can't help feeling gaslit.

Yes, howse, I can do that totally straight faced, my question was about the left, or the feckers that claim to be the left at the moment, so don't distract. As long as the "left" doesn't own up to their failures and keep lying (to themselves and the electorate) and keep treating working class people like cattle that owes them them their votes they will keep loosing. No matter how much arrogant shite you spout from your basement in Australia will change this,

Exactly, you made it sound like you thought that was wrong

Yes that’s giving me Stalin Russia vibes.

Stalin was considered left wing but it became a totalitarian regime.

ultimately the freedom to discuss and establish facts and truth is what is most important here. Democracy relies on this.

secondly, is the prioritisation of children and healthcare. Safeguarding and women’s rights is inextricably attached to that.

the largest actual risk factor wrt safeguarding for children is poverty. Only left leaning parties will prioritise this. Yes defining what a woman is is also vital for this, we are nearly there in terms of this being understood as mainstream.

suppression of accurate information by the leftist media is only going to stoke opposition and push back. As is not confronting home truths by left leaning politicians. This is obvious.

worth listening to this episode of ‘this isn’t working’ as Tanya and Maya visit the reform conference. It’s noted that there’s lots about farming and business etc, very little about education and health. Farmers are moving towards reform as they’ve been forgotten about. They also noted it was a diverse conference.

there’s nobody championing the lifting up of young white men other than reform. They are the majority population of men in the U.K. and now reform are seeking the support of women.

decades of focussing on university degrees has left a chasm of apprenticeship and vocational training in education. We need brick layers, plumbers, plasterers etc. factory workers etc. (Labour are working on this, I know people in the field.)

it sounds like victim blaming but the left, specifically Labour, are responsible for the rise of reform through their inability to tackle far left idealistic liberal issues. tories made inequality and poverty worse which created the foundations that drives young people to seek change.