Far right women

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Katie Lam and Pochin from Reform spouting stuff that makes me feel sick. Looking at all the glossy goons like Kristi Noem and Pam Bondi surrounding Trump. I am predicting that Erica Kirk will be the first woman President or perhaps more likely Vance’s Vice President. I’m not talking about women who would like to pay less tax, or Theresa May, but those who rise in extreme right wing circles.

I’m working my way extremely slowly through Andrea Dworkin’s ‘Right Wing Women’. Has anyone else read it? I don’t have any conclusions about this yet…

No one here has mentioned (on this thread) about being supportive of the far right

to be fair I may have missed it so if you could point it out that would be great

Oh I see. The post is a bit hard to decipher, but there was a dose of superiority and insult so wondered who was at fault. Usually women not doing as wanted.

From what I can tell some of the left on mn give far more headspace to what they consider to be far right figures online anyway.

As quite a conservative (small c) woman, I do find 'extreme right' a code word for 'conversation over', if it even gets that far. The phrase just reduces anyone with any kind of right-leading views to an unthinking, ignorant, uneducated megalith.

I'm a well educated woman who thinks in layers and nuance. I was raised by fairly liberal parents, and my husband is left of centre. Most of my friends fall somewhere on the spectrum and I feel able to have respectful conversations which put context to a lot of the trickier discussions, and why we feel like we do. I have my world view for a reason, based on a plethora of reasons that I have considered for myself.

There is an intersectionality where feminism and right wing beliefs overlap and fundamentally, most people that I know, feel that their beliefs are the way to make the world a better place. Finding those motivations and reasons for believing in whatever we believe is very important. Most people will have a 'why' that just isn't conveniently boxed off as hatred, racism or misogyny. Sometimes it is, but it's lazy to not try to find out why people feel as they do.

I understand the point of view of my more liberal, left leaning friends and they understand mine, and it's all respectful and thought provoking. Locking anyone behind a label instantly dehumanises and silences them, and if it doesn't, it taints heir argument with a sense of incredibility before they even get started. I want to know people and know their stories and find out what they think and why, because that's how growth and change happens.

I hear 'extreme right' and instantly know that the conversation will have a foregone conclusion before it even commences.

I’ve read it. A lot of it isn’t really about right-wing women at all, it’s about the various ways in which men subjugate and oppress women. It’s a hell of a depressing read.

There was an extremely pointless thread in AIBU a few weeks ago where the op professed that they wanted to understand why women would give their votes to right wing politicians. It turned out that they just wanted to pontificate and hand wring, rather than listen to the reasons people less out of touch with what the average person thinks explained to them. Seems familiar tbh.

@nauticant and @timesublimelysilencesthewhys have hit the nail on the head.

I don't see why being women is relevant. Are women not allowed to have right wing opinions?

I would not say “It drives me mad when I see adverts full of black people”. I don't.

I, and many others, would agree with "It drives me mad when I see adverts which I perceive, based on good evidence, as being virtue-signalling nonsense that is more interested in pushing a bigoted and unwanted "woke" narrative than it is in selling what they are advertizing or appealing to the majority of the country.”

That was a deeply inappropriate way to describe victims. He wasn’t condoning the rapes but definitely described the victims inappropriately the article you linked to also shows him apologising. We could spend eternity giving examples of where the right wing and left wing have made derogatory comments about women. In the case you linked to there was an acknowledgment that they were at least victims but parts of the right wing would suggest (if the attackers were white) that the women had brought it on themselves.

The victims in the Rotherham case were a certain demographic. They were vulnerable due to their home environment and there is no doubt that their attackers held the view that they were “poor, white trash” which they felt entitled them to their bodies. It went on for so long because nobody cared about these children.

The right wing would prefer that peadophilia is kept firmly within the family!

'Glossy goons'.

If this is the level of political debate on the left, its no wonder that people swing to the right.

Anyway OP, when you say 'far right' what exactly do you mean? Is a cultural comment on adverts now the main indictator of 'far rightism'?

'Glossy goons'.

If this is the level of political debate on the left, its no wonder that people swing to the right.

Anyway OP, when you say 'far right' what exactly do you mean? Is a cultural comment on adverts now the main indictator of 'far rightism'?

Its the consequence diversity and inclusion, not comercial reality. And it doesnt reflect a true picture of the country and therefore seems forced.

Its difficult for an advert to be truly representative given theyll be only say three people in each advert. No company wants be highlighted as only speaking to white people, so are more likely to request non white actors. It means that half the adverts have black actors.

What is happening is that the left (for want of a better word) are allowed to highlight skin colour and say adverts dont represent them, but the right, arent allowed to comment when it looks unrepresentative to their lives.

I would say that adverts are skewed towards black actors, and miss asian, older peope, disabled and non english speakers. But that maybe just about where i live.

https://archive.org/details/rightwingwomen00dwor/

Available to read here, if anyone wants to.

TBH I think it's an American book by an American writer, about American politics, and therefore not something I'm going to spend masses of time on.

Because we are not the US, and our left and right are different, and there's more than enough bollocks going on here to be getting on with.

For instance, Reform are currently massively ahead of any other party in the polls.

Those who are upset about this have a choice. They can ask 'why' and actually listen to the answers, or they can smear, deride Reform voters and bemoan the inevitable loss of the next election.

It doesn't sell though. People are getting sick off of it and are starting to NOT buy from these companies.

Go woke, go broke.

TBH I think it's an American book by an American writer, about American politics, and therefore not something I'm going to spend masses of time on.

And written in the early 80s. Its going to be difficult to use it to interpret politics and choices today.

If it doesn't discuss the morally superior authoritarian Left then it's not going to be a great deal of use in analysing how things stand at the moment.

There is no point trying to understand right wing women, logic obviously isn’t their strong suit. For men it is very difficult to shame them for their political opinions but for women, social ostracisation is an incredibly effective tool. Women on the left used to understand this but for some reason don’t lean as heavily on it anymore, which is a shame.

I’ve seen many of your posts on other threads so with all due respect, I won’t be engaging further with you @Swiftasthewind

Exactly. It’s an interesting take, but not the be all and end all. The principle that all women have the same women’s rights is important though.

This.

People are not buying Kamala. Up the the left to offer something else, or keep on losing

Anyone that think Reform give a single fuck about women are completely ignorant or stupid. I say this a full blown TERF.
Please don't mix the two. It weakens out case to align anyway with the vile rhetoric of Reform.

You lost me at 'goon'.
Why are left wingers so intolerant of people they don't agree with?
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Perhaps because the Left wing parties, here and in the USA, are f***g useless when it comes to Women's Rights

Who here does?

Again, even if you do think this, it’s better not to call people you want to persuade to your point of view “ignorant and stupid”.

Have you always been so dismissive of women or is this a new thing? Listen to yourself!