Far right women

[PermanentTemporary]

Katie Lam and Pochin from Reform spouting stuff that makes me feel sick. Looking at all the glossy goons like Kristi Noem and Pam Bondi surrounding Trump. I am predicting that Erica Kirk will be the first woman President or perhaps more likely Vance’s Vice President. I’m not talking about women who would like to pay less tax, or Theresa May, but those who rise in extreme right wing circles.

I’m working my way extremely slowly through Andrea Dworkin’s ‘Right Wing Women’. Has anyone else read it? I don’t have any conclusions about this yet…

I’ve had dozens of private messages thanking me for my perseverance in dealing with some of the rhetoric surrounding these issues

😂

sure you have

That is as may be, but it seems to me that you're arguing for the whole problem to be dealt with "in house", and without any information being disclosed to members of the public who might not be enlightened enough to take the correct line on this.

Do you see that this might not be sustainable?

And, as I mentioned quite a while ago, do you see that it might be a problem to have a "women against the far right" campaign insisting that there's nothing to see here, and this campaign is organised by literal rape enablers?

On the latter point, if you are not familiar with Martin James Smith and his associates, I would be very happy to provide you with information.

But men are born with a penis….

Here’s a snippet of a quote from one of the latest messages I’ve received today if you don’t believe me.

“Hi there, I just wanted to say thank you for being one of the lone voices of reason in this sea of poison that is infecting the world in which we live right now. I am a person of colour living in ** and your words have inspired me to not want to give in and leave this country, because I know people just like you exist.”

There’s more but a lot of subsequent information is pretty revealing, I hope she doesn’t mind me just taking a little bit to show the naysayers in this thread. 😊

...and then everyone on the bus stood up and clapped.

There are at least dozens of utterly deluded people who think like you, yes.

As for ‘holding your own’ are you aware that with every false claim you make (and posters like you), many people like me go and do even more research to get the exact facts and confirm how much more correct we are and ill informed you are?

And as for your astonishing claims that it is people calling out the rapists and their powerful enablers that are harming race relations - just wow! - I hope you grow up soon.

Oh well, I for one am now completely convinced that you’re definitely on the level and not bonkers / working to push some weird agenda that no one normal could believe in, as I’m sure is everyone reading

Are you also terribly brave, and have lots of girlfriends?

I am a person of colour living in

Mm ok love - because ‘persons of colour’ describe themselves just like that 🤣

Cover-ups are a foolish, short-termist strategy. The more you lie, prevaricate and deny, the angrier people are with everyone concerned when the truth comes out. As it inevitably does. And, thereafter, people will distrust official "information" even when it happens to be true, and be readier to listen to alternative versions. It's a gift to people with an agenda who want to stir the pot.

A bit of honesty for its own sake wouldn't come amiss either. And a bit less arrogance.

You have to engage with actual politics though, whatever your personal political views, if you want to have political success.

What should be some pretty obvious truths:

Harris ran for the Democratic nomination before. The first state she ran in was California, her own state. She bombed and withdrew. That tells you something about her popularity among Democrats - the people you need to be able to count on to vote for your Democratic presidential candidate.

Harris was among one of the most unpopular VPs of all time. She was not particularly visible during her time and was heavily associated with the complete failure to deal with the border issues.

After Biden had to withdraw, she was generally (and correctly) believed to have been, at the least, complicit in covering up his lack of capacity, probably for several years.

No one with any political sense would run a candidate like that, it's actually nuts.

I am not sure what it is many people think being on the right actually means.

According to this thread, it means being ok with paedophiles, and being willing to marry non-white people, despite being disgusted by them, for brownie points.

It's not shocking that people who think stuff like this cannot understand why anyone would be right wing, whetever their sex. There is a level of, I don't know, learned blindness, self-delusion, maybe? - that is quite extreme.

I know I wasn’t going to engage further either with or about that poster, but oh my days 🤣 Ambassador you really are spoiling us

I mean I was hoping that @PermanentTemporary would finally come back and address the SWP issue that I've raised multiple times, but this will do pretty well in the interim.

I do recall similarly unhinged comments being made on other threads around this topic on FWR.

It’s the circus of the unhinged around these parts tonight, with a decorative pile of little gold wrapped imaginary direct messages

Circus of the unhinged is spot on.

However, I'd like to respond to this:

Why would you trust the public with information that could result in more hate to our most persecuted minority group?

I think I can break this down in an illuminating way.

Why would you

You see the association of "you" with the authorities. That's quite revealing, I think. We are not entering the mind of the victim, or the victim's family member, but of the bureaucrat.

Why would you trust the public

I think this speaks for itself. We identify with the bureaucrat in authority, and it's dangerous for the plebs to know things.

that could result in more hate

This is precisely the position of Sir Keir Starmer KCB KC MP - the problem is not the existence of the grooming gangs, the problem is that Elon Musk is drawing them to the attention of the broad masses. Therefore, what we need is more effective narrative management.

our most persecuted minority group

<a Roma Gypsy enters the chat>

Not to be too snide, but please point out the dozens of local authorities controlled by Romani clans.

On a slightly more serious note, the Roma community has a lot of long-term problems including petty criminality and poor outcomes for women and girls. I don't think those are going to be solved by well-meaning outsiders saying there's nothing to see here.

When it comes to grooming gangs - she may yet disappoint us, but Shabana Mahmood has been saying all the right things. Shabana is of course a Mirpuri woman. It's her community in the spotlight. And if I read her rightly, she believes this scandal has brought massive shame on her community, and that will not be dealt with by further coverups.

I agree with the Home Secretary. It seems many Labour partisans don't.

What is interesting to me, in this case specifically, and with the new approach to racism in general, is that it has clearly correlated to rises in race problems.

Trying to protect evil people so as not to seem racist has the entirely predictable effect of making people suspicious of people of other races and of "antiracist" initiatives in general.

Now you put it like that, I can see your point about Labour spin.

This is so enlightening….

Indeed. And of course some people are genuinely racist, and things like this make their views seem more plausible and credible to people, who are, as you say, disinclined to trust people who have lied and covered things up.

There's a thing that Louise Perry was just saying on Winston Marshall's podcast the other day - our governing class seem to think that the white working class are just a seething mass of racism that can explode at any moment.

But it never occurs to them to say - why are these people aggrieved? Are there some government policies that are affecting them adversely? Are there things the authorities are doing that might piss them off?

The whole argument is - it's a disinformation problem, and we need to make sure it's the right messages that are getting out there, and suppress the wrong messages.

They never seem to reflect on why this approach has been tried multiple times for decades and hasn't worked.

There are racists out there, of course, but not as many as people think, and maybe not in the places people think to look.

They also seem never to reflect that suppressing the truth is “disinformation” in and of itself. Why do they think people no longer trust the authorities and the media?

This is a really interesting thread and investigation by Unherd. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5051761-worth-watching-unherd-investigation-inside-the-disinformation-industry-kathleen-stock-specifically-mentioned