A little piece of insight

[Tandora]

Into a topic so woefully misunderstood.

If the distress goes away isn’t that the definition of a cure?

Not when it involves telling them they have changed their sex and allowing them into the single sex spaces of the sex you have lied to them and told them they have changed into

And the thing is the person themselves knows they cannot change their sex. This is why affirmation is never enough.

They get 'gender euphoria ' in the moment of affirmation and then go back to depression. You see examples of this again and again on Reddit.

The best and kindest thing to do is to reiterate reality. And this includes enforcing single sex spaces.

Quite.

Why should any woman obediently revolve her life around whatever may or may not be going on in a man's head? Why is this supposed to be of interest?

He can think whatever he likes. Good luck with that. Now stay out of women's single sex facilities, have a lovely time in the mixed sex ones, and if you don't get in my way and try to make me listen to a lot of rubbish you won't then have to deal with me telling you it's a lot of rubbish. Win win.

The distress cannot go away when you are being lied to.

Being lied to only increases lack of trust in the world. Even if in the moment it feels good. This is why affirmation is never enough.

I know some trans people claim they have changed sex, but I really don’t believe that is the majority opinion

I know plenty of trans women that want to illegally enter women’s single sex spaces.

"difficult process"? Most TW just perform female stereotypes with clothing, hair and make up. A very tiny minority have surgery

That's the whole point of self ID - acceptance without exception. If a man puts on a dress and says he's a woman then he is

What is the lie?

That you can change sex and that a man is actually a woman.

I’m aware that there are some trans people who believe it’s enough to just say I’m a man/woman and that is it. For the ones who do take hormones and have surgery, do you not agree it’s a difficult process?

FACTS:

1. Men can’t change sex
2. Women and girls are not legally required to risk their safety and dignity to satisfy a handful of delusional men.
3. People with gender dysphorie and similar mental health problems need to seek medical help and not demand or expect validation from others.

I don’t think I’ve said anything to indicate I believe an actual change of sex is taking place. I was saying that the distress from gender dysphoria can go away by aligning the body to appear more like that of the opposite sex

If there is no clear desired outcome except that we read someone’s personal perspective, one that seems to be not from a trans person but an ‘ally’, was this to drive traffic to the person’s social media?

Was it to open posters up to abusive name calling, demonisation and derision?

Or just an opportunity to lecture ?

After years of interaction, I am very wary of threads such as this.

I bet this was written by a bloke who stole his mum's underwear and got off to it.

If that is done, do you believe the person should enter the single sex space of the gender they now present as?

Dealing with the side effects of the hormones that are in their body in quantities their body isn't designed for and suffering the results of botched surgery is no doubt a difficult process.

Yes but also so what? Yes it's difficult but that doesn't mean it's women's job to metaphorically go "there there, you can have our spaces as you've made an extra effort". No matter what surgery and hormones they've had, they're still men. Their challenge in coming to terms with reality it's not women's problem to solve

women's lives are difficult, many of us have to take medication for most of our lives - pill to prevent pregnancy, HRT to manage menopause but I don't see men falling over themselves to worry about that.

the answer, as it's always been, is third spaces it we were categorically told by stonewall and their gang of TRA that that was transphobic and so here we are

A difficult process?

How is it a difficult process? Changing a name and sticking to that name change for a set amount of time?

Making a deliberate choice to modify your body to suit your personal ‘belief’ about yourself? There are many people who make this particular choice.

Can you describe why it is ‘difficult’ please ? Does it matter for the access of single sex provisions in your opinion?

It won't, though. Why would humans be the only mammals who can't recognise which sex other members of their species are? We don't do that just by looking at how long an individual's hair is, or what they're wearing, or even how tall they are or how deep the voice is. There are lots and lots of ways in which the sexes differ, and the hormones and surgery available can't change many of them.

I think it’s situational. Some trans people will never come close to ‘passing’ so their presence is more likely to cause distress to other service users. I think it used to be understood by trans people that you have to be respectful and consider what your impact will be on other people. That has changed over time with modern trans ‘activism’

Does this mean that you support that a male person access single sex provisions if no one notices or complains? Or are you merely making an observation?

You have just argued that, For the ones who do take hormones and have surgery, do you not agree it’s a difficult process?

I would go further and say it's an horrendous process. With very little evidence to back it up. And one which is very obviously chasing an unobtainable objective.

As I said previously, it is never enough because it won't achieve the desired outcome for most trans people.

If your desired outcome is to appear as if you are the opposite sex (but accept that you are not and that others will not agree that you are not), you might get there.

If it is so that you can be the opposite sex (which is what most are being sold and that others will agree) you will never, ever get there.

Which is medical abuse in my opinion.

Yes. If that person doesn’t look different to any other man or woman and no one is distressed by their presence, I don’t see the issue

Do we all have to go along with it, up to and including letting castrated men into female spaces? A woman isn't a castrate.