A little piece of insight

[Tandora]

Into a topic so woefully misunderstood.

What are we supposed to be doing with this information?

@Helleofabore I have no clue!

So in what situation do I have to accept a man breaking the law?

I want no man in any single sex women’s space. Never. The answer is no. They are not allowed.

Situational my arse.

Look at Barbie Kardashian saying he's a 'woman, born in the wrong body' and can actually get a surgical 'vagina'.

He did not come up with this bull crap on his own and it certainly didn't come from women who believe in sex reality.

Are you the personal arbiter of who is allowed in different spaces?

Are you going to explain what that means in practical terms?

Nope. That'd be the law.

Are you the personal arbiter of the law?

The law agrees with me.

no men are allowed by law in women’s single sex spaces.

why is that law not to be obeyed?

For clarity. The Supreme Court have clarified the law in the U.K. and no men are allowed in women’s single sex spaces.

what other laws do you think should be broken? Rape? Murder? Do they fall to inclination as well?

Yes, I'm a lesbian and sick of men ( straight and gay) forcing their way into our same-sex spaces since 2015.
I don't want you anywhere that is for women only, because in my 10 year experience you are selfish self-absorbed men and some of you are scary dangerous.

Women are saying that we do not want biological men in our single sex spaces. We should not have to be bloody arguing the toss about this.

Thank you for being honest.

So you support a group acting in a way that would cause distress to some people who would use those spaces if they knew that person’s sex? But it is ok because someone doesn’t understand the truth.

And what about the women who are happy sharing spaces with trans women and men who are happy sharing with trans men?

Are you the personal arbiter of who is allowed to break into houses and nick stuff?

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Delusional beliefs should not be elevated to the point where they take presidence over reality. I used to work as an approved mental health professional, when I assessed people for admission, I would explain that I understood that they believed whatever their delusion was, but that I didn't and I believed that it was indicative of their illness. I took the same track with those people with anorexia, never did i suggest that they were indeed fat and in need of gastric banding!

They can invite them home for tea.

the equality act is clear

men in men's spaces
women in women's spaces

that is the arbiter

of course if men continue to break the law then they are by definition not the sort of man you can trust

and btw gate keeping transness is very transphobic

You've got to love it when these people throw everything they've got at why we must all play along with one person's deluded self image and then start trying to pull the "but it's just your opinion" stuff when we refuse. Inconsistency, thy name is TRA.

As for the "it's fine to bulldoze consent if the person doesn't know their consent is being bulldozed"... do you think these people can hear themselves? Do creeps know that they're creepy?

They can have a third mixed space. They can't consent for other women. That's not how consent works. You need to be told this.

If I witness a man trying to enter a woman only space I'll happily be the personal arbiter of who is allowed in that space.

Clue: the man won't be.

So actually you do need to have a medical degree to understand whether a person has a pain in their gut… or in some other part of their torso that they are ‘calling’ their gut… or it could be psychosomatic. Very real, very painful, but fuck all to do with their gut [anxiety in children is often described as ‘stomach ache’ but is actually an uncomfortable feeling in their tummy, for example].

And having supported my DD through 7 years of believing she was trans and male, I KNOW that you do need to be a qualified professional to understand what underlies a teenager’s belief that they’re ‘born in the wrong body’. One who understands the impact of autism, ADHD, social anxiety, the social impacts of Covid/lockdown on her generation, the trauma of having 2 male clinicians aspirate a breast cyst [caused by breast binding] during a 4 day hospital stay over her 13th birthday, bullying and social isolation caused by all the above. Fortunately for my DD, clinicians such as those have supported my DD and she is now at a top uni, rebuilding her life.

@ByTaupeSnake
And what about the women who are happy sharing spaces with trans women and men who are happy sharing with trans men?

Single sex spaces and mixed sex spaces. All the women who are happy sharing spaces with trans women can trot off to the mixed sex space leaving the single sex for those who want it. Everyone wins.

I am going to shag my husband tonight, using various props and toys. I consent to this, quite enthusiastically. Therefore, you must consent to it as well.

That's what you sound like.

As I understand it, that's a matter for the law. Which does in fact so arbitrate, and has done for many years. Single sex spaces are single sex spaces in law, not single gender spaces, and a person's sex is defined by what was observed about his or her sexual characteristics at the time of his or her birth.

That ill-intentioned people, by openly flouting the law and distressing large numbers of women, have caused those who are simply misguided to be (as they see it) "deprived" of a right they have never had, is unfortunate for the misguided people. And also for those who might have got away with it in previous years before women got utterly fed to the back teeth with men exerting male privilege and telling them there was to be no debate about them stealing women's rights.