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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans people frightened to leave homes, says MP

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PrawnofthePatriarchy · 29/09/2025 09:26

"Trans people are frightened to go out or use public toilets after the Supreme Court ruling which defined a woman in terms of biological sex, a Labour MP has said."

"Rachel Taylor, who is a member of the women and equality select committee, described the interim guidance put forward by the equality and human rights commission after the ruling as “dangerous” and “incorrect”."

www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-party-conference-2025-live-keir-starmer-latest-news-v7zvhgqhg

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/09/2025 13:04

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 12:47

Try reading the thread. Carefully. Then apply some critical thinking and check it against your idea of a moral compass. Then come back to me.

My moral compass says that women are allowed to say no to men.

What does yours say?

BundleBoogie · 30/09/2025 13:12

If she thinks the guidance is ‘incorrect’ - what on earth does she think the SC ruling says??

I presume she’s read the judgment?

HidingmyTrueIdentity2025 · 30/09/2025 13:19

PauliesWalnuts · 29/09/2025 09:52

This. I had the misfortune to have to share a YHA dorm with a trans woman last week - two younger girls checked out early the following morning as a result.

If that happened recently in the UK, it could well be unlawful.

And just to add, how ducking stupid are these people? I can think of at least 5 creepy blokes who would happily book under the name Barbara and have a shave if they could share a room with young women. Do you think they even consider the risk of violence and rape from men abusing the system they are exposing girls and women to?

JellySaurus · 30/09/2025 13:21

HidingmyTrueIdentity2025 · 30/09/2025 13:19

If that happened recently in the UK, it could well be unlawful.

And just to add, how ducking stupid are these people? I can think of at least 5 creepy blokes who would happily book under the name Barbara and have a shave if they could share a room with young women. Do you think they even consider the risk of violence and rape from men abusing the system they are exposing girls and women to?

No.

HidingmyTrueIdentity2025 · 30/09/2025 13:23

JellySaurus · 30/09/2025 13:21

No.

Please can you elaborate? I'm confused what your No relates to!

BundleBoogie · 30/09/2025 13:29

Echobelly · 29/09/2025 12:09

My friend's fiancee is a trans woman and she's certainly scared about loos. She has decided she's sufficiently worried about getting attacked or otherwise punished for using women's loos where there's not a neutral alternative that she'll use the men's. Thus far has to put up with 'I think you're in the wrong toilets love' (she is a small, slight woman who you can't 'always tell' is trans) from men and thank God nothing worse yet, but she's already very introverted and socially anxious and this is not helping.

Your friends fiancé clearly has no reason not to use the mens then.

He has experienced no danger or threat and only kind behaviour from men (who can be easily confused by men in a dress) who may well be just being polite.

Tell him to keep up the good work - I’m sure he’ll get used to it!

HidingmyTrueIdentity2025 · 30/09/2025 13:30

MarieDeGournay · 29/09/2025 12:55

You see, I don't think she is thick, that's the weird thing about TRAs and allies like Rachel Taylor. They aren't necessarily stupid, many of them like RT are at the very least 'book smart' - she was a solicitor, and you need to have quite a lot of functioning braincells to do that.

I see she was also an umpire at Wimbledon which must mean something!

They may well be sensible and thoughtful people otherwise [note: they may be..]
but their judgment has been switched to OFF when it comes to genderwoo.

During the last election campaign here in Ireland, I made a point of asking the canvassers, in a very friendly tone of voice - not even a hint of toxicity Wink
'You know your party's transgender policies? Well, tell me honestly, do you really believe men can become women, and we should give them a certificate to say they are now women? Seriously?'

It was interesting how many either weren't aware just how far our genderwoo legislation had gone; quite a few squirmed a lot and said, well.... no.... but..., while a few said, 'I agree with you, I'm going to take it up with HQ'.

It's like there's been this blanket fog of #benicery that has descended on people who really should know better - and at some level I suspect, really do know better but they have now taken a firm position on a melting iceflow.

Or as Burke put it -
'this very ungraceful distress, in which they can neither retract with dignity nor persist with justice'

Racism - obviously bad, good people aren't racists....
Sexism - also obviously bad, good people aren't sexist....
Homophobia - also bad, good people aren't homophobes..............
Transphobia - the most persecuted, oppressed minority - good people aren't transphobes.......

Edited because Samsung don't like a lot of these words!

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/09/2025 13:33

HidingmyTrueIdentity2025 · 30/09/2025 13:30

Racism - obviously bad, good people aren't racists....
Sexism - also obviously bad, good people aren't sexist....
Homophobia - also bad, good people aren't homophobes..............
Transphobia - the most persecuted, oppressed minority - good people aren't transphobes.......

Edited because Samsung don't like a lot of these words!

Edited

But gender ideology is both sexist and homophobic.

SinnerBoy · 30/09/2025 13:37

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 12:33

So a minister speaks out about a small, marginalised, persecuted group who are expressing their valid concerns and fears and your response is "What a lot of drama over nothing". Really?

If you gaze for long into an abyss...

They're small, granted, but hardly marginalised, or oppressed. They're massively, massively over represented in all public spheres. People break their necks to gush and suck up to them.

As for oppressed, that's pure DARVO on stilts, it's they who are the oppressors. Look at all the women they've illegally harassed and bullied, frequently with the collusion of their colleagues and employers.

Maya Forstater, Alison Bailey, Kath Stock, Roz Adams, Liz Pitt etc etc ad nauseam.

Or perhaps you think that scores of thousands of death threats to JK Rowling, loitering outside her house, doxxing her online and stalking her kids are examples of transw being oppressed?

Seriously, get a grip.

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 13:39

SinnerBoy · 30/09/2025 13:37

They're small, granted, but hardly marginalised, or oppressed. They're massively, massively over represented in all public spheres. People break their necks to gush and suck up to them.

As for oppressed, that's pure DARVO on stilts, it's they who are the oppressors. Look at all the women they've illegally harassed and bullied, frequently with the collusion of their colleagues and employers.

Maya Forstater, Alison Bailey, Kath Stock, Roz Adams, Liz Pitt etc etc ad nauseam.

Or perhaps you think that scores of thousands of death threats to JK Rowling, loitering outside her house, doxxing her online and stalking her kids are examples of transw being oppressed?

Seriously, get a grip.

"Or perhaps you think that scores of thousands of death threats to JK Rowling, loitering outside her house, doxxing her online and stalking her kids are examples of transw being oppressed?

Get a grip"

The two are neither equal nor causal, dear.

Get a grip

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/09/2025 13:50

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 13:39

"Or perhaps you think that scores of thousands of death threats to JK Rowling, loitering outside her house, doxxing her online and stalking her kids are examples of transw being oppressed?

Get a grip"

The two are neither equal nor causal, dear.

Get a grip

They are a direct result of her saying that biological sex is real and important, and that men who believe they identify as women shouldn't be in women's single sex spaces.

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 13:52

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/09/2025 13:50

They are a direct result of her saying that biological sex is real and important, and that men who believe they identify as women shouldn't be in women's single sex spaces.

Well, you're half right. So that's something.

SinnerBoy · 30/09/2025 13:53

My point is that these aggressive and frequently violent men are not oppressed. JKR pointing out that they're not women launched a tsunami of the worst kinds of threats to her.

People (predominantly women) are still terrified of voicing their legally protected opinions, for fear of drawing the wrath of these delicate, broken swans.

Transw are absolutely the safest demographic in Britain. Children under 2, tragically, are assaulted and murdered in greater numbers than transw, both numerically and as percent of population.

Im afraid you've swallowed a parcel of lies, uncritically.

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 13:55

SinnerBoy · 30/09/2025 13:53

My point is that these aggressive and frequently violent men are not oppressed. JKR pointing out that they're not women launched a tsunami of the worst kinds of threats to her.

People (predominantly women) are still terrified of voicing their legally protected opinions, for fear of drawing the wrath of these delicate, broken swans.

Transw are absolutely the safest demographic in Britain. Children under 2, tragically, are assaulted and murdered in greater numbers than transw, both numerically and as percent of population.

Im afraid you've swallowed a parcel of lies, uncritically.

"Transw are absolutely the safest demographic in Britain."

If you want to prove your empress is indeed clothed then citation needed. Quite considerable citation, as it happens.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/09/2025 14:00

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 13:52

Well, you're half right. So that's something.

Is there a reason why you're here espousing anti-feminist views on a feminist board?

Theeyeballsinthesky · 30/09/2025 14:00

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 13:55

"Transw are absolutely the safest demographic in Britain."

If you want to prove your empress is indeed clothed then citation needed. Quite considerable citation, as it happens.

Men are not women

no one can change sex

men however they present can fuck off out of women's spaces because they're not women

if they're sad about that, that's not women's problem to solve

murasaki · 30/09/2025 14:01

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 13:55

"Transw are absolutely the safest demographic in Britain."

If you want to prove your empress is indeed clothed then citation needed. Quite considerable citation, as it happens.

Where's your evidence that they are the most unsafe?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/09/2025 14:02

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 13:55

"Transw are absolutely the safest demographic in Britain."

If you want to prove your empress is indeed clothed then citation needed. Quite considerable citation, as it happens.

The number of trans identifying murder victims is less than one per year on average in the UK.

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 14:09

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/09/2025 14:00

Is there a reason why you're here espousing anti-feminist views on a feminist board?

And there it is, the fundamental (or, perhaps, intentional) misunderstanding.

Nothing I've said is anti-feminist. It has, at times, sat in opposition to outright stupidity, blatant imbecility, and/or questionable moral stance, but that does not make it anti-feminist any more than criticising the Israeli state for its genocide makes you anti-Semitic. Only a halfwit would adhere to that view...

Theeyeballsinthesky · 30/09/2025 14:12

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 14:09

And there it is, the fundamental (or, perhaps, intentional) misunderstanding.

Nothing I've said is anti-feminist. It has, at times, sat in opposition to outright stupidity, blatant imbecility, and/or questionable moral stance, but that does not make it anti-feminist any more than criticising the Israeli state for its genocide makes you anti-Semitic. Only a halfwit would adhere to that view...

Of course it is

women are adult human females. If your definition of women includes men with lady feelings then there is no definition of women that excludes men

feminism is about women not men larping as women

not our problem that they can't face reality

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/09/2025 14:14

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 14:09

And there it is, the fundamental (or, perhaps, intentional) misunderstanding.

Nothing I've said is anti-feminist. It has, at times, sat in opposition to outright stupidity, blatant imbecility, and/or questionable moral stance, but that does not make it anti-feminist any more than criticising the Israeli state for its genocide makes you anti-Semitic. Only a halfwit would adhere to that view...

Come on.

Literally the only concern you have shown on this thread is for men who have been told they must no longer use female only spaces.

Where is your empathy for the women whose rights have been infringed for the last decade or more?

Where is your compassion for all the women who have been threatened, doxxed, cancelled, fired, hauled through gruelling litigation in the public eye and subjected to constant vitriol from trans activists, who still won't accept that they have a right to say "no" even after the Supreme Court has confirmed that they have the law on their side?

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 14:16

Theeyeballsinthesky · 30/09/2025 14:12

Of course it is

women are adult human females. If your definition of women includes men with lady feelings then there is no definition of women that excludes men

feminism is about women not men larping as women

not our problem that they can't face reality

"If your definition of women includes men with lady feelings"

Please point me to the post in which I say, or even suggest, that I believe this to be the case? No? I didn't think so.

"feminism is about women not men larping as women"

larping? That's not even a real word. I can't fathom what you meant to say, given the context. Lapping? Leering? Learning?

murasaki · 30/09/2025 14:17

GiddyPinkQuail · 30/09/2025 14:16

"If your definition of women includes men with lady feelings"

Please point me to the post in which I say, or even suggest, that I believe this to be the case? No? I didn't think so.

"feminism is about women not men larping as women"

larping? That's not even a real word. I can't fathom what you meant to say, given the context. Lapping? Leering? Learning?

Live action role play, as you know full well.

EmpressaurusKitty · 30/09/2025 14:20

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 30/09/2025 14:00

Is there a reason why you're here espousing anti-feminist views on a feminist board?

I’m pretty sure there’s a rota somewhere.