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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Trans people frightened to leave homes, says MP

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PrawnofthePatriarchy · 29/09/2025 09:26

"Trans people are frightened to go out or use public toilets after the Supreme Court ruling which defined a woman in terms of biological sex, a Labour MP has said."

"Rachel Taylor, who is a member of the women and equality select committee, described the interim guidance put forward by the equality and human rights commission after the ruling as “dangerous” and “incorrect”."

www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-party-conference-2025-live-keir-starmer-latest-news-v7zvhgqhg

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Soontobe60 · 29/09/2025 10:17

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Trust me, if men who identify as women have unfettered access to women’s toilets and changing rooms, then it would be discriminatory to not allow all men in there. So you’d most likely end up with a continuation of the situation we are now in whereby male predators pretend to be trans as a way into those spaces.

ArabellaSaurus · 29/09/2025 10:17

Chersfrozenface · 29/09/2025 10:06

The YHA doesn't offer single sex dorms.

It offers single gender dorms.

https://www.yha.org.uk/our-policies/equity-diversity-inclusion-policy

'We welcome transgender guests to stay with us and we are working hard to improve our services and facilities to make sure that they are inclusive.'

That policy is from 2022. Probably time they updated it, given the SC judgement.

https://www.yha.org.uk/contact-us

I'll make a new thread for this.

IvyDefender · 29/09/2025 10:28

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PrimeTimeNow · 29/09/2025 10:29

JazzyJelly · 29/09/2025 09:43

Did she specify which public toilets are causing the distress? I.e. is this men now afraid to use the women's toilets, or men afraid to use the men's toilets with other men?

I don't believe either, but it would be interesting to know if the argument is 'I'm afraid to break the law' or ' Other men will attack me for crossdressing'.

I’ve just asked my (incredibly ‘conservative’ 60 year old) husband what he thinks would happen if he came across a cross-dressing man in the men’s loos.

Reply: nothing at all. Men just pee and go. No one would so much as raise an eyebrow. If anything they’d think ‘Good on you, mate, for using the right loo and not making my wife/ daughter feel uncomfortable by going into the ladies’

ArabellaSaurus · 29/09/2025 10:37

PrimeTimeNow · 29/09/2025 10:29

I’ve just asked my (incredibly ‘conservative’ 60 year old) husband what he thinks would happen if he came across a cross-dressing man in the men’s loos.

Reply: nothing at all. Men just pee and go. No one would so much as raise an eyebrow. If anything they’d think ‘Good on you, mate, for using the right loo and not making my wife/ daughter feel uncomfortable by going into the ladies’

It doesn't even matter - the solution to men fearing other men is NOT to put men in with women.

Keeptoiletssafe · 29/09/2025 10:45

I would like to see her evidence on toilets because I have looked too.
I would love to show her my evidence that I have collated over several years.
Everyone is safer in the toilet for their sex because of the design of single sex toilets allowing door gaps. It saves lives and prevents assaults. HOWEVER, when the toilets become ambiguous for who is using them, even the single sex ones become enclosed. Therefore all of suffer from reduced toilet health and safety.

If she wants to see the available data I have on assaults on children and women I am happy to show her. Also the deaths in toilets (men, women and children) who have been left there too long for cpr. That’s the danger.

So, single sex design is safer.

Keeptoiletssafe · 29/09/2025 10:54

Also a reminder that lots of disabled people and elderly people already don’t go out because there is not enough access to public toilets.

80% of all people feel uncomfortable using public toilets.

Context is important.
I want safe toilets for everyone.

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 29/09/2025 10:56

ArabellaSaurus · 29/09/2025 09:36

'Taylor said: “I think the interim guidance that was put forward was a totally disproportionate response to a judgement that had been made.”

She added: “They [the EHRC] have now put forward guidance which I haven’t seen, but I’m assuming is quite similar to the dangerous interim guidance.”'

Taylor seems to be an utter fuckwit.

‘They’ve put forward guidance that I haven’t seen but I definitely don’t like it’ what an utter fuckwit.

orangegato · 29/09/2025 11:05

Why are the left like this? No wonder the party’s over for Labour, the slimy weak panderers.

IvyDefender · 29/09/2025 11:13

orangegato · 29/09/2025 11:05

Why are the left like this? No wonder the party’s over for Labour, the slimy weak panderers.

They hate women, seeing us scared brings them deep joy.

SionnachRuadh · 29/09/2025 11:14

I'm sure Rachel has her finger on the pulse of her constituents. Let's check what current polling says.

Trans people frightened to leave homes, says MP
BunfightBetty · 29/09/2025 11:15

She sounds as thick as mince. What on earth is she doing on that committee when she clearly doesn't have the intellectual capacity to fulfil her obligations?

Edited for typo/brain fog.

JellySaurus · 29/09/2025 11:21

The dangers that they believe they are afraid of are as imaginary as their belief that they are the opposite sex.

LidlAmaretto · 29/09/2025 11:22

Maybe they could get all those lovely trans activists to accompany them outside. After all, if they get any funny looks they can punch women in the face or threaten them with rape/death etc. That should sort them out.

BlackeyedSusan · 29/09/2025 11:33

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GargoylesofBeelzebub · 29/09/2025 11:53

I seem to remember trans activists telling women who don’t want to share facilities with men that we should just stay home. Im not sure why they now expect sympathy when none was given to us. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I’m afraid they’re going to have to just man up and use the men’s facilities with the other men.

secureyourbook · 29/09/2025 11:55

Tell that to the ones that are all over Twitter posting selfies of them in the women’s loo 🙄

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 29/09/2025 11:55

PauliesWalnuts · 29/09/2025 09:52

This. I had the misfortune to have to share a YHA dorm with a trans woman last week - two younger girls checked out early the following morning as a result.

Did you complain?

Pleasealexa · 29/09/2025 11:57

Rachel Taylor showed zero empathy when Baroness Kishwer Falkner described the abuse and threats she and her staff had received.

Rachel Taylor is a disgrace and an example of why politics is in such a bad state.

KnottyAuty · 29/09/2025 12:01

Helleofabore · 29/09/2025 09:47

Wouldn’t this be a grand time for the government to launch a male toilet safety campaign? A you can pee next to me campaign for all male
people?

According to (autistic) DS the social rules around toiletting/urinals are a minefield. I’d like to see that covered.

Also the pee soaked radiator is the annoying feature that is the compliment to our overflowing sanitary box too close to the toilet bowl. but that’s a whole other story - sorry for the digression!

Echobelly · 29/09/2025 12:09

My friend's fiancee is a trans woman and she's certainly scared about loos. She has decided she's sufficiently worried about getting attacked or otherwise punished for using women's loos where there's not a neutral alternative that she'll use the men's. Thus far has to put up with 'I think you're in the wrong toilets love' (she is a small, slight woman who you can't 'always tell' is trans) from men and thank God nothing worse yet, but she's already very introverted and socially anxious and this is not helping.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 29/09/2025 12:11

Echobelly · 29/09/2025 12:09

My friend's fiancee is a trans woman and she's certainly scared about loos. She has decided she's sufficiently worried about getting attacked or otherwise punished for using women's loos where there's not a neutral alternative that she'll use the men's. Thus far has to put up with 'I think you're in the wrong toilets love' (she is a small, slight woman who you can't 'always tell' is trans) from men and thank God nothing worse yet, but she's already very introverted and socially anxious and this is not helping.

I'm sure your friend's partner will get used to it.

There will probably be a lot more unisex facilities in the coming years, which should help.

Chersfrozenface · 29/09/2025 12:18

..she is a small, slight woman...

He is a small slight man.

So is my brother. So what?

Anyway, what does he say when told "I think you're in the wrong toilets love"? The honest answer would be "I'm in the right toilets because I'm male".

That might prove uncomfortable for him, but I'm afraid that's what happens when a person claims the impossible.

Greyskybluesky · 29/09/2025 12:19

Echobelly · 29/09/2025 12:09

My friend's fiancee is a trans woman and she's certainly scared about loos. She has decided she's sufficiently worried about getting attacked or otherwise punished for using women's loos where there's not a neutral alternative that she'll use the men's. Thus far has to put up with 'I think you're in the wrong toilets love' (she is a small, slight woman who you can't 'always tell' is trans) from men and thank God nothing worse yet, but she's already very introverted and socially anxious and this is not helping.

So your friend's fiance has faced nothing more than a verbal comment in the gents'? That's great news!

Plus, all the small, slight women who may be introverted and socially anxious get their single-sex space toilet back. That's great news too!

ilod · 29/09/2025 12:26

a well known TRA posted on X the other day about same sex wards in hospital stating that they’d probably die early as they couldn’t use the NHS under the sex rules. Absolutely insane craziness which encourages more
of the same insane craziness. It’s encouraging poor mental health. Advertising and promoting it.