Trans people frightened to leave homes, says MP

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"Trans people are frightened to go out or use public toilets after the Supreme Court ruling which defined a woman in terms of biological sex, a Labour MP has said."

"Rachel Taylor, who is a member of the women and equality select committee, described the interim guidance put forward by the equality and human rights commission after the ruling as “dangerous” and “incorrect”."

www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-party-conference-2025-live-keir-starmer-latest-news-v7zvhgqhg

Haven't read the whole thread yet. There are women who have written to Rachel Taylor on more than one occasion regarding this and disclosed abuse they have have suffered in female spaces. These constituents she is patronising towards and just reminds them how vulnerable transwomen are....Reform are huge in the local area, she is handing them victory on a plate. She has also been told how the EHRC works and the Surpreme Court ruling, but witters on about how lovely her trans constituents are.....I absolutely guarantee there are more women who are trying to get her to understand how they feel. She will be out next election for sure. Absolute gutted that our constituency first ever female MP is such a handmaid.

How lovely for you that you have the luxury of not giving ‘a shit’ about it. Unfortunately, women who have survived rape, sexual assaults, violence and other abuse from men, along with women who are highly religious, and indeed most women, very much do ‘give a shit’ about it. So how about you go and scold somewhere else, and leave those of us who do ‘give a shit’ to carry on ‘giving a shit’.

Tumbleweed.

I think you’ve deeply misunderstood. I am referring to the op ‘trans people are frightened to leave homes’ question.

I’m choosing to believe you’ve not read the whole thread to spew that at me.

@LadyBracknellsHandbagg i definitely don’t!

They're now so terrified of leaving the house tht they are no longer able to join the Million Moob March, pour piss on themselves on the steps of The ECHR building and worse, unable to punch little old ladies in the face at LWS events.

This is, quite simply, an outrage in a supposed liberal democracy!

So all those trans ppl marching through Bristol were figments of our imagination then? 🤔

do these labour MPs with their lies and denial of reality really not see they're just handing their seats to Reform? 🤦🏻‍♀️

Quite. Thanks for steering the thread back on track too.

And they'll carry on being frightened if people like her keep telling them they have something to be frightened of. Stupid cow.

I think a lot of young trans people probably ARE genuinely scared. They are still behaving very badly, but most of my anger goes to the middle aged male TRAs who have got them to believe that gender affirming care is saving them from death, GC women want them dead etc

Indeed.

The way that even the support groups for people with transgender identities word content and have speakers repeating similar sound bites is very concerning. Those people supposedly give messages of support that sometimes look like love bombing while undermining the group’s sense of security.

In years to come, there will be plenty of case studies into the dynamics used by these supposedly supportive groups.

It would be a terrible idea to make both the men's and women's loos smaller to add extra space for unisex loos. Who has to queue for loos? Women. Who walks straight in with no queue? Men. Who is more likely to be bothered by using a unisex loo, men or women? Women. If any extra space is needed, it can come from the men's loos only.

I know a trans person (man in women's clothes) and we have been in public places together. I have never seen anyone so much as look twice. Not saying it doesn't happen, but on the whole no one seems to care.

You're right there.

I re,ember Rachel from when she was a lesbian feminist. How sad.

Precisely the same here, not a peep.

And your point is ???? 🤷‍♀️

That trans people aren’t afraid to go out.

Most mornings, I really want to head down to see to my allotment, which gives me such joy, as I used to until last year. But sadly I don't feel safe to do so, as another allotment holder assaulted me there a year ago (grabbed hold of me a number of times and said he could do 'anything he liked to me' because I was alone). I managed to get away from him before anything worse happened and reported it to the police but because it took me more than six months to tell them (due to the fact I didn't believe they'd do anything about it), they said they couldn't take action. So now I don't go down there alone any more, miss the morning sunshine which gives me such joy and a precious lifeline of exercise and satisfaction. This is genuinely being afraid to go out to do something I love, having to alter my life to my detriment because of the behaviour of a man.

And it's not uncommon - in fact, the opposite. Most women reading this will have experienced something similar – made a decision to go without because of a fear of male behaviour. Indeed, many will have far, far worse experiences at the hands of men.

Does Rachel Taylor just accept that as part of life... something not worthy of comment? Does she recognise the gross insensitivity of what she's saying? Men do not have to change their behaviour, change their lives, as women do, to avoid male violence. If the man who assaulted me decided tomorrow that he wanted to 'live as a woman', he'd still be a strapping big bloke, capable of overpowering me, and I'd still be a five foot two woman who would struggle (and probably fail) to fight him off.

I accept there may be some TIMs who feel nervous about using men's facilities, but if that's true then they need to start a campaign to get their own (as many have said down the years). Not pass on that fear to women.

What actually is it they're so afraid of? Being confronted by the reality that they are not, in fact, women? Women have been frightened to leave their homes, especially at night, for generations, but nobody in power seems to care too much about that. This is nothing more than finger-wagging at the "mean girls" who refuse to make these men feel validated and welcome.

Good point. What are these men scared of? They can't be scared of violence from women for reasons we all know. So presumably they're scared of other men. Which only highlights what a problem male violence and attitude is and as we keep saying, the answer to male violence is not to send men in with the women.

What are they worried about? When they have been conditioned to believe that words are violence. So too micro expressions. Then every single person they meet who is not fawning over them is potentially framed as being haters.

Whereas, most people will be simply in neutral and getting on with their day. But this is years of conditioning.

This. They’re afraid they’ll be confronted with reality rather than the fake online world that reinforces their false belief system.

It's my firm belief that they're not scared of male violence, or not primarily. They're scared of going into the gents and nobody challenging them.

I'd qualify that by saying that some TIMs will have personal experience of gay-bashing from their younger lives. But they aren't the demographic of trans who cause the problems.

Let’s face it too. Some of this group are hyper vigilant on so many aspects. If they are the subject of a discussion where pronouns are used some will are also likely to listening and checking.

All that before they even have to get to the toilet issue. If someone has believed in the righteousness of those male people on social media who have declared it is their moral right and basic human right to access female toilets when they are male, they will have little thought for the female people inside. Well, except that if they even look without looking like they are welcoming them, then they are about to be attacked in some way.