Trans people frightened to leave homes, says MP

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"Trans people are frightened to go out or use public toilets after the Supreme Court ruling which defined a woman in terms of biological sex, a Labour MP has said."

"Rachel Taylor, who is a member of the women and equality select committee, described the interim guidance put forward by the equality and human rights commission after the ruling as “dangerous” and “incorrect”."

www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/labour-party-conference-2025-live-keir-starmer-latest-news-v7zvhgqhg

And now, caught out by her previous indefensible statement, she transitions quickly to a passive appeal, hoping I won't press her on her former, embarrassing, statement. That's fine; you've clearly shown me the effect is has had on you, so I won't force the matter on that particular topic.

As to your second, pleading, request, I think I have at no point said that we have not been marginalised, ignored, dismissed, or treated as second class citizens as a sex. Please do direct me to the post where I clearly say that and I'll cry mea culpa.

I think we have. But that's not the point, is it? I am strongly against imbecilic, knee-jerk behaviour by people who either lack the time or talent to think critically. We have enough of such behaviour in our country currently without needing to pour fuel on the fire in online fora.

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can men become women or not?

Not to get too meta, but there was a thread a while back on Riley Gaines where someone would pop up and take up at least 100 posts with "I'm as GC as they come, and I agree with the point about sports, but here are 50 reasons why you should dislike Riley Gaines"

And as soon as one finished, another would pop up and do the exact same thing with the exact same talking points.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but sometimes there are things I find curious.

Aren't the Labour government abolishing zero-hours contracts, so these poor unfortunates in the gig economy get a better deal?

New to me, but a quick Google tells me all I need to know.

But are transwomen 'larping' as women, in your view? Really? Pretty poor choice of analogy, I'd say.

Unless you really do believe that, in your fevered delusions, they are!?

It is anti-feminist to approach a women's rights debate from the "but what about the poor men" perspective.

Unless you really do believe that, in your fevered delusions, they are!?

"Fevered delusions" is a good one. And props for using the correct Latin plural of "forum".

This is exciting, because I think we may have encountered a Methinkser in the wild.

Yes, they are. Really.

A bit like the Greens’ Jennie Jones, who doesn’t appear to understand how legislation is made and how to change it.

of course they are, well in fact they're live action role playing their view of what they think a woman is because being men, they have no idea what it's like to be a woman

womanhood is not a costume for men to pop on

the only way to be a woman is to be born a juvenile human female and grow into an adult one. Other than that anything goes! Have long hair or short hair or no hair. Wear boiler suits or tutus or whatever, stilettos, DMs, sneakers. Wear make up or not. Play rugby or spend every day painting everything pink. It doesn't matter, any woman can do anything she wants and still be a woman

men however they present are not women

It can be perceived that way, certainly.

Just as it can be perceived - or, in your case, just outright presumed - that I've approached the matter in a particular way.

Check again. Then come back to me.

What words would you use to describe a group of male people who are making statements about being female people when there is no materially real way for them to be female people or to have the understanding what female people experience and how they interact with a society with a body that is female so that they can accurately describe their own male experiences as being that of female people?

I note as always with our visitors that they're looooooong on word salad and short on specifics/answering specific questions

Yes I do. They are pretending to be women, which they are not, in the same way that a friend of mine occasionally spends a weekend pretending to be an English civil war soldier, which he is not.

The main difference being that he and his mates aren't breaking the law, posing a threat to anyone or entirely delusional re reality.

Does your friend who doesn't actually exist and you've just invented in the hope of making a point actually spend their life as a Civil War soldier (which one, by the way? There have been at least five English civil wars) then? Did they always identify as a Civil War soldier from birth?

Or, does this imaginary friend actually just throw a costume on for the weekend? Not quite the same thing, is it?

What do you think they're doing? How would you describe it?

Well he's real, and of course just for the occasional weekend.

But it is exactly the same. These men are no more women than he fought at the battle of Naseby.

American, are you?

Walking around dressed in "woman costume" (or what a man imagines women costume to be) 24/7 would still make someone a man role playing a woman, not an actual woman

PS number of English civil wars depends on how you define them. There were 3 civil wars during the period 1642 and 1652 the period usually described collectively as The English Civil War. However you could justifiably include other English civil wars that took place outside of that time span eg the anarchy of the 12th century, the wars of the roses or the glorious revolution

the definition of women however is always "adult human female"

It's exactly the same thing. Someone pretending to be something they are not. At least the people who pretend they're soldiers or medieval knights don't expect society to believe it too.

So, it is the permanency that you are saying adds credibility to the claim that these male people who seek to access female single sex spaces which is the main group that the article refers to, are female?

If they are 'gender fluid' are they still describing themselves accurately if they seek to access a female single sex space and they are male people? If not, what single sex provision should a gender fluid person access? One that corresponds to their body's sex class or the opposite?

yep!

(good thing too, I think the lances and maces could be very tricky to manage after a few beers)

And how would they use the women's toilets to "just pee" with all that armor?