Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate

[ThatZanyFatball]

May have been lovers, and sounds like he knew ahead of time that it was going to happen.

Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson lived with transgender partner: source

Yes, that's right. this board had long been the only space in which people could openly discuss this issue ( trans ideology) and their concerns around it.

There are years worth of intersting and educative threads if you have a desire to understand more.

Nope - this post was on the trending section and I thought it was about the misinformation in the original article.

this is my point, it’s not hard to ‘find your way here’ and be immediately shot down by people that apparently have a meaningful cause to protect.

Former classmate of Tyler Robinson. Just a short but it made me really sad.

So start that new thread and ask your questions.

If you are genuinely ‘opened minded’, I would suggest not posting as if you are genuinely opened minded and that your very first post doesn’t come from a place where you have assumed posters on this board are ignorant hateful bigots. Otherwise, you will not get the answers you seek, you will just get people responding to your own perceived view about posters on this board.

And we have had so many of those over years and years of posts, which all follow a script. The script goes:

OP opening post: which expresses view that people on this board are ignorant hateful bigots.

Posters: no we are not,

OP : well I came here to find out more

Posters: no you just name called and don’t seem to be able to engage in the discussion you said you wanted without belittling us

OP : you are all just as hateful as I thought , I am off and flounces.

I attempted to inform you. After you came in, closed minded, and abused me, I had no obligation to explain to you. But I did. I explained to you that trans men are female - so no threat to us.

You continue to abuse me. Even after that.

You could have just apologised to me. Instead of doubling down and trying to play the victim, when you were the one who attacked me.

A word of advice; you get what you give out. If you don't want to be shot down, don't come in as a newbie and call a regular 'hateful'.

Have a look at your own tone. You are disrespectful, rude and hateful. All you had to do was say sorry to me. But I don't respond well to attack. Especially when I did nothing wrong.

The original comment I responded to literally stated that trans people are MEN - that undeniably portrays very little understanding of the topic, whether or not that’s true. If you’re posting on a public forum where your views are going to end up in a very generic trending section then you cannot assume that everyone reading your comments is part of your group and capable of reading between the lines.

what the poster clearly meant was that the trans people your cause takes issue with are all men - what I don’t understand is how this rhetoric runs smoothly alongside the idea that people can present however they wants. For example
I don’t understand what’s been done
to ensure that boundaries aren’t blurred between protecting single sex spaces and demonising trans people, it seems like the former can only be achieved by latter and that is where I fundamentally disagree.

“If you are genuinely ‘opened minded’, I would suggest not posting as if you are genuinely opened minded and that your very first post doesn’t come from a place where you have assumed posters on this board are ignorant hateful bigots”

Sorry. I am on a small screen.

I would suggest posting.

That ‘not’ shouldn’t be there.

Joining the conversation. Looking forward to more information hopefully being shared by authorities/witnesses/families and friends of the accused.

I didn’t realise I was a ‘newbie’ stumbling across a well established group - this is not clear when your threads appear in the trending section.

I’m not going to apologise for protecting trans people - I appreciate now how my comment is out of place - it’s impossible to understand your original comment unless you move in the same circles as you do.

I think you’re blurring the lines between having something you want to protect and being hateful as a way to protect it, I don’t think that’s right, regardless of the cause.

It doesn’t matter that it’s in the “trending section” that’s not a board, it’s how the site works. It’s on the feminist board. The information about the trans partner isn’t misinformation.

But as you acknowledge you don’t actually understand this issue or know what you’re talking about regards this board.

Trans women are male
Trans men are female

Trans identified people should not be accommodated at the expense of dignity and privacy for females (or indeed males).

Case closed.

(For clarity, sex is binary and immutable, saying these things is not hate. or hateful. The discourse has changed the last 24 months)

Also, how is insulting posters on the feminist board of Mumsnet “protecting trans people”? It’s clear you don’t know what you’re talking about.

The original comment I responded to literally stated that trans people are MEN

Generally on this board when we talk about trans people, we (or at least I) are almost exclusively or at least mainly talking about men, meaning the male sex. I was addressing the regulars I guess. In our general (in house?) way of talking. You could have asked nicely if you wanted clarification, I would have given it to you. You didn't have to accuse me of being 'hateful'. I don't hate anyone. I don't want anyone to be hurt. I hope you've learned from this. Don't rush in to an established group and accuse the regulars of being 'hateful' if you don't understand the culture of the board (or section). Anyway I have to go and get some stuff done offline.

A. You don't need to abuse and attack posters to protect trans people.
B. Please show me just once instance where I had been hateful.

All the evidence shows you are the one being hateful.

comment I responded to literally stated that trans people are MEN

It didn’t.

you misread the comment.

I don’t fundamentally disagree with what you’re saying in principle. But I do disagree with demonising trans people (which is what this thread is essentially doing). I would think you can have your discussions and largely leave trans people out of it. You want ‘people who were born with female chromosome spaces’, is there seriously a lot of pushback on that? I would just assume that woman like me and trans women wouldn’t want to be in those spaces anyway but I can’t imagine many people actually have issue with them existing.

The issues is that this discussion never happens without being hateful towards trans people and largely denying their existence.

This thread is reporting on a current news story.

What discussions can we have that “leave people out of it”? Trans women are men, people keep telling us they are welcome in women’s spaces. But they aren’t. The idea that men’s feelings and “identity” are more important than women’s privacy, safety and dignity are your fringe belief, I’m afraid @Waitingforthecold

I am surprised you have not seen the tens of thousands of trans identified males forcing themselves into female spaces. I am sure better people than me can give links...

However, I am fighting to keep my daughters changing space free of males at school. She's 14.

I'm demonising people who ignore safeguarding, who de value females, who think womanhood is a costume you put on like a nice long dress and a handbag.

Most women would want to be in the female only spaces, rather than in the ones with men in them, but you feel free to accompany your male friends to the men’s ones, if it makes you and them feel better. The men can decide whether they’re comfortable with you in there. Men are not welcome in women’s spaces.

I just can’t think of a single real world example of when my privacy, safety or dignity have been jeopardised by a trans person. There’s a lot of buzz words that I can see would make me very angry if I subscribed to the belief that trans people are less than or if I was generally a more vulnerable and fearful person, which is where I think this debate falls apart. The fight seems to be had under the guise of a reasonable request and with the assertion that this is very regularly denied in the real world - it’s not, nor is there an actual real thread of it being, so I think we can probably just leave trans people alone

My daughter's changing rooms. Today. Secondary school.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5404868-single-sex-changing-spaces-in-a-brighton-secondary-school-new-school-year-new-thread?page=1

Could you signpost me towards the schools written policy on this?