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LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 19/09/2025 14:56

A family member of Lance has stated the whole family were already very scared of him and has now claimed that he radicalised Tyler. Interesting.

UtopiaPlanitia · 19/09/2025 15:12

I came across this TikTok on TwiX and thought it was both amusing and savvy with regard the chat log convo between Tyler and Lance:
https://x.com/Skirt_Go_Spinny/status/1968488646161424587

Here's a Nitter link for those not on TwiX:
https://nitter.net/Skirt_Go_Spinny/status/1968488646161424587#m

Skirt Go Spinny (@Skirt_Go_Spinny) on X

For those following that curious text exchange 😂

https://x.com/Skirt_Go_Spinny/status/1968488646161424587

SionnachRuadh · 19/09/2025 15:29

That's very funny.

If you look sometime at the Latter Day Saints subreddit, you frequently encounter people who can't be older than about 21 (you can tell because they talk about their missionary service) who talk like they were born when Eisenhower was President.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/09/2025 16:16

UtopiaPlanitia · 19/09/2025 15:12

I came across this TikTok on TwiX and thought it was both amusing and savvy with regard the chat log convo between Tyler and Lance:
https://x.com/Skirt_Go_Spinny/status/1968488646161424587

Here's a Nitter link for those not on TwiX:
https://nitter.net/Skirt_Go_Spinny/status/1968488646161424587#m

🤣

SionnachRuadh · 19/09/2025 16:40

Which reminds me of one of my favourite old gags, long predating the internet... what if the Gettysburg Address had been delivered, not by the famously eloquent Abraham Lincoln, but by the famously uneloquent Dwight Eisenhower?

The Gettysburg Address In Eisenhowese (Dec 85,Vol:37 Issue:1)

The Gettysburg Address In Eisenhowese

Although most observers now agree that Elsenhower could be effectively articulate when he wished to be, during the years of his Presidency he was known (Issue: December 1985)..

https://www.americanheritage.com/gettysburg-address-eisenhowese

Darker · 19/09/2025 17:45

wast542 · 15/09/2025 21:34

Because it was one of the talking points in Charlie’s debates. School shooters having strong links to trans community

There is no evidence for that. Making claims like this is transphobic misinformation.

spannasaurus · 19/09/2025 17:50

Darker · 19/09/2025 17:45

There is no evidence for that. Making claims like this is transphobic misinformation.

Are the recent trans identified school shooters not evidence of that

UtopiaPlanitia · 20/09/2025 01:47

Interesting article by Stephen Daisley regarding media coverage of Tyler and Lance:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-problem-with-abcs-matt-gutman/

Excerpts I think are relevant:

"Yet the trans angle is also the most fruitful for journalists and progressives. If the story becomes one of tragic love and desperation and the fears of an oppressed minority, no one will be talking about politics anymore. Is political violence in the United States really the preserve of the right, or does the left have a problem with it, too? Did allowing activism and catastrophism too large a role in news reporting and analysis create an atmosphere of existential alarm among some already troubled people? In characterising political speech to the right of David French as fascism, racism, transphobia, and the rest, did Democrats and mainstream reporters place a target on conservative public figures like Kirk?

If this is the thought process, it says nothing good about the condition of American civic life. It says there are Americans who can more readily empathise with an alleged murderer because of his minority status than with the married father of two he allegedly murdered. I would say this is the inevitable end point of progressive identity politics but I suspect the road to hell has more stopovers yet to go.

...Aversion to the mundane, to the ennui of the ordered life, can leave us longing for transgression and its alluring excitements. Kirk espoused the ordered life. Those who cannot find solace in that life hope to conquer it by romanticising destruction physical and moral. Worship of disorder is worship of the generous gambler. "

The problem with ABC’s Matt Gutman

In a report on the Charlie Kirk assassination, ABC’s correspondent wistfully described messages between the suspect and his boyfriend.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-problem-with-abcs-matt-gutman/

SionnachRuadh · 20/09/2025 22:06

Another one from Holly MathNerd (who's been great on this, check out the rest of her substack):

In recent years we’ve seen multiple trans-identified mass shooters. We’ve also seen the emergence of the Zizians, a fringe vegan cult linked to six deaths, whose worldview is entangled with trans-ideological currents.

And now, a major political assassination has been carried out by a young man whose life revolved around Discord chats—the breeding grounds where ideological subcultures metastasize—and who believed he was defending both his boyfriend and the world itself from Charlie Kirk’s supposed “hate.”

In the face of mass shooters and this latest example — to say nothing of the way that trans ideology and activism has taken over the whole culture in the last decade — we have to ask: why is trans ideology so uniquely radicalizing?

From Transition to Transgression - by Holly MathNerd

From Transition to Transgression

how trans ideology is leaving a bloody trail through American life

https://hollymathnerd.substack.com/p/from-transition-to-transgression

nauticant · 20/09/2025 22:33

It is still very surprising that Lt. Governor Peggy Flanagan has not been called to account for the messaging she intended with that T-shirt.

No doubt she'll be hoping it'll have faded in people's memories. If I were her, with the recent events in Minnesota, I'd still be in squeaky bum mode.

BreatheAndFocus · 21/09/2025 08:03

Thank you @SionnachRuadh That’s one of the best and clearest explanations I’ve ever read (From Transition to Transgression above)

lcakethereforeIam · 21/09/2025 23:16

I believe some of the vigils for Charlie Kirk have been protested! At least one by a bunch singing the song that was engraved on one of his murderers spare bullets. I'm reminded of the Westboro Baptist Church and horseshoes.

UtopiaPlanitia · 22/09/2025 02:00

Bloody hell, why do so many 'politically engaged' people have to be so obnoxious nowadays.

Obnoxious, hateful behaviour like the Westboro church protests used to be striking because their horrible, heartless behaviour was so unusual and so outside accepted behaviour norms.

Why can't we disagree agreeably?

TheUnusuallyQuerulentMxLauraBrown · 22/09/2025 10:52

I’ve seen footage of a protestor stamping and kicking their way through (a presumably spontaneous, by the public) collection of floral tributes to Kirk.

It’s just rude and unnecessary. I’m a bit skeptical of public mourning events (I remember the weirdness that broke out over Princess Diana) but they must have some psychological value to human beings or they wouldn’t exist.

I dunno, it’s just so crass and cruel.
Like us turning up at a vigil for Brianna Ghey and shouting he/him down a megaphone - there is a time and place for expressing a sincerely held political opinion but this ain’t that time nor that place.

EasternStandard · 22/09/2025 11:00

lcakethereforeIam · 21/09/2025 23:16

I believe some of the vigils for Charlie Kirk have been protested! At least one by a bunch singing the song that was engraved on one of his murderers spare bullets. I'm reminded of the Westboro Baptist Church and horseshoes.

People are losing it. Horrendous.

nauticant · 24/09/2025 22:39

More messages on shell casings:

www.yahoo.com/news/articles/joshua-jahn-know-dallas-ice-203748303.html

Although note this:

Jahn’s brother, Noah, told NBC News he did not believe his sibling held strong political views. “He didn’t have strong feelings about ICE as far as I knew,” Noah said. “He wasn’t interested in politics on either side as far as I knew.”

nauticant · 24/09/2025 22:44

Also, there's another shooting (at a building, not at people), and this one seems to be related to the assassination of Charlie Kirk:

www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-09-22/sacramento-tv-station-suspect-note

1dayatatime · 24/09/2025 23:25

EasternStandard · 22/09/2025 11:00

People are losing it. Horrendous.

The political landscape is changing rapidly with the right wing being in ascendancy.

Incidents such as the Charlie Kirk assassination only serve to create a martyr and boost the support for the right wing even further.

As a result those on the left who until say two years ago were in the prevailing popularity are finding this change in political landscape incredibly difficult to accept. They become angry- some get angry on social media, some get angry at protests, some get violent at protests and some go even further seeking to kill those political figures they object to.

TempestTost · 25/09/2025 01:21

1dayatatime · 24/09/2025 23:25

The political landscape is changing rapidly with the right wing being in ascendancy.

Incidents such as the Charlie Kirk assassination only serve to create a martyr and boost the support for the right wing even further.

As a result those on the left who until say two years ago were in the prevailing popularity are finding this change in political landscape incredibly difficult to accept. They become angry- some get angry on social media, some get angry at protests, some get violent at protests and some go even further seeking to kill those political figures they object to.

Yes, there seems to be a real difficulty understanding what has changed. I think many feel really disoriented.

NotMyNigelFarage · 25/09/2025 20:43

The sceptics are starting to come out the woodwork. I wonder if it'll be another Lucy Letby situation.

www.reddit.com/r/skeptic/comments/1nk9l81/fbis_story_about_tyler_robinson_doesnt_make_sense/&ved=2ahUKEwiG2sOl1PSPAxWw9QIHHUm3OE44ChAWegQILRAB&usg=AOvVaw2ZBEc_hQJNOjQC620on5ir

SionnachRuadh · 25/09/2025 21:00

My word. The majority of the posters there seem to have gone full Alex Jones.

GoldThumb · 25/09/2025 21:47

SionnachRuadh · 17/09/2025 23:17

I want to say as well about games - JKR wrote well about fandoms in Ink Black Heart, but there's a lot more that could be said. I'm interested in how some fandoms are notoriously toxic and some very much aren't. A lot of that probably has to do with the demographics.

Great point, though, about gaming being more immersive, the Main Character syndrome, the repetition, the dopamine hits. I'm not a gamer and don't know the tribes, but even from my very superficial knowledge, it's hard to think of a TV or movie fandom that's quite as deranged as the Sonic fandom.

Sonic? The hedgehog?
Well, who knew 🤯