Charlie Kirk assassin was living with trans roommate

[ThatZanyFatball]

May have been lovers, and sounds like he knew ahead of time that it was going to happen.

Charlie Kirk’s alleged assassin Tyler Robinson lived with transgender partner: source

Can you imagine the militant left using the 2nd to say they have a legitimate right to take up arms and defend themselves against authority which tries to oppress them through tyranny, and how the militant right who are wedded to the 2nd might implode at the prospect.
You don't understand; it's not the militant right. The majority of Americans support the 2nd Amendment. The majority of Americans voted for the current government. Regular Americans use guns to protect their property and themselves.
Antifa uses Marxism to support the overthrow of the government.

Absolutely.

The Law Enforcement agencies are going to encourage these very online kids/young adults (who pose as hardcore violent extremists but in reality barely go outside) to snitch all over each other.

They’ll probably find something similar to what’s happing in Transactivism here, where the youngest and most naive are sent climbing up buildings and chucking insects into LGB meetings while the main organisers and ideas men are fully grown adults with a history of serious criminal convictions (eg Sarah Jane Baker).

You aren't British are you?

This.

The bald dude who claimed to be the shooter has been charged with some sort of obstruction of justice /wasting LE time offence:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/george-zinn-charlie-kirk-shooting-b2827454.html

www.thedailybeast.com/man-who-claimed-to-be-charlie-kirks-killer-is-charged/

I understand that just a few weeks ago after the previous shooting involving a trans shooter, there was talk about whether or not to ban trans people from having guns. The NRA put out a statement saying they supported 2A rights for all law-abiding Americans or words to that effect.

I didn't really follow this but I saw mention of it when I was browsing the transguns sub the other day.

I'm not au fait with gun rights laws to know how they treat either terrorist groups or people with mental illnesses, as I imagine those are the angles you would try to go for if you wanted a ban for groups like Armed Queers etc.

I think this is an example (somewhat less relevant to the UK ofc) of why it is important to engage with the question of "just how violent are these groups" because stripping civil liberties (which this is in the US) of a non-violent group is pretty harsh, but if there are patterns that would allow you to identify the real crazies within that group, presumably there would be some kind of "terrorist/gang" exceptions that would apply. But if you don't allow discussion of it you can't engage with that.

Of course it's the US so anyone can get a gun who wants one regardless

People are even being cancelled for celebrating his death in the UK, see this foolish young woman:

https://www.kentonline.co.uk/folkestone/news/kent-mum-targeted-after-kill-them-all-video-on-charlie-kir-329898/

Trans ideology is now so steeped in "everyone's out to get me" culture and the left (in this situation) have attached themselves to the trans cause because they always support the "underdog", and consequently turn a blind eye (or even celebrate) when trans people talk about armed resistance. It just emboldens these people, and there needs to be a serious look (particularly with how the media report) on perpetuating these ideas.

I look at trans activists and I don't even see people just wanting to be the opposite sex, I see "trans" with the ridiculous outfits etc promoting violence.

As trans activists left or right wing? I don't care, I don't support their ideology.

And I am reminded of The Day Today Gay News (a comedy about defining what is gay today). It seems like a lot of (young) activists are deciding on a daily basis as to what is left and right wing.

She's fafo but i feel sorry for her. No-one should be threatening her. She shouldn't be doxed. Going after her kids and her place of employment is abhorrent. Just don't buy from her if you don't like her! She should feel ashamed but I hope this will soon be behind her and she'll be more temperate in future.

Eta a wee bit of clarification.

Unfortunately, there have been a series of shootings in the US by trans youth; both male and female; Utah, Nashville, Minnesota, Indiana, Colorado , Maryland. They are ill and violent.
And look at this image, that's the lieutenant governor of Minnesota. Young troubled people don't need this dangerous messaging.

There's a lot of discussion online arguing that these kinds of "cancellations" show that, fundamentally, the Right don't support free speech. There is something in that in that parts of both the Left and the Right will suppress speech they don't like.

However, going to the specifics of particular cases, I think there's a massive gulf between saying a transwoman is a man and rejoicing at a political assassination.

But I did feel sympathy for Charlotte Hayes. In my ideal world her offence would be resolved by her giving a sincere and full apology.

Based on Lucy Connolly's case, one assumes she will get several years in prison, right?

Except later in the article about Charlotte Hayes she admits that she has been in hot water for saying things before having been a contact creator for years. I would spare your sympathy.

I think there are going to be more than a few brits denied entry to the US over the coming years because of the shit they have posted or said about Kirks death.

Having a poo is a human right, doesn't mean that you can go around and poo wherever you want and not expect to get into trouble. There's a time and a place.

Going around shouting "fire" when there isn't and then using "freedom of speech", to justify it.

Saying inflammatory stuff and then claiming "freedom of speech". There's a time and a place.

Unfortunately people have decided that "woman: adult human female" is offensive and dangerous and got people sacked for saying that.

Companies can decide whether they want to be associated with people celebrating murder, which is very different to people being sacked for stating scientific fact. It's about human decency.

A worker at Man City got sacked for turning up to work in a Man Utd shirt. Not seeing a lot moaning about freedom of speech there.

And she went further than rejoicing, she said there should be more assassinations.

Thanks for posting that article, I found it fascinating and fits so well with many TRAs. The trans movement is absolutely full of wound collectors. And then in the US it's so easy for them to get hold of guns....

'A lot more' than 20 people on the discord to be questioned formally by the FBI.

Well if trans were recategorized as a mental illness ( which it had been in the past) they would be prohibited from purchasing guns .

Also in the US free speech is protected, meaning the state; the cops won't come and arrest you or mark it down. But if you advocate violence; "kill x" yeah that's not protected speech. Also your employers can fire you. It's especially abhorrent when it promotes or condones violence. It's freaking regular Americans out that nurses, doctors, teachers, psychologists, professors and students are applauding assassinating someone for their differing opinions. This is the big takeaway...

I saw her video. It’s been featured by Stan Price on a YouTube short.

https://youtube.com/shorts/eTbDDs6s1aY?si=d3VEH0yYa3Xs3O3F

Her rant was absolutely atrocious.

Quite right too.
Who needs advocates for murder in their country?

Trans is a great way for wound collectors to operate really - a trans identity is almost like a fishing net for catching new wounds or a trap for those who have ‘wronged you’ to fall into again and again…

… because misgendering and deadnaming can so easily be classified as wounds, as can questioning a lack of childhood signs of gender nonconformity or criticising anything about the persons appearance, behaviour or voice (even if those criticisms are intended to be constructively helpful or are equally applicable to everyone, eg telling a 14 year old they can’t go out in such a teeny tiny outfit because it’s midwinter).

Tyler Robinson was in a relationship with his trans roommate and may have had other romantic relationships too (this was rumoured on social media last night).

The FBI believe others may have been involved in the murder.

Wow.

Re: the cancellation stuff - I don’t support masses of people piling onto employers (or prize committees or buildings that rent out for events) demanding their employee (nominee or event organiser etc) be cancelled for perfectly legal ‘wrong think’):

However, if an employer discovers their employee has done something illegal or that is in breach of their contract and has the potential to bring a business or org into disrepute then I would expect the employer to follow the usual procedures for workplace disciplinary in a fair and even handed manner (and the expected standards for someone who say, is a singer in a rock band are going to be different to those for teachers, doctors etc).

Calling for more fatal violence is clearly going to violate expected standards in many jobs and professions.

(I just wish the workplace tribunal was cheaper and faster because at the moment a lot of people have failed to get a fair hearing via HR because of the stupidities of stonewall law)

Celebrating the violent death of a media figure is going to be a lot less grey area/muddled than insisting that men can’t be women (thanks to the idiocy of the GRA 2004).