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ArabellaSaurus · 15/09/2025 11:44

Transvestic fetishists are specifically aroused by wearing women's clothes, and sometimes by exhibitionism and voyeurism, too. It's a paraphilia, and paraphilias tend to cluster.

You can look up the ICD 11 for this, it's under heading 17, conditions related to sexual health.

https://icd.who.int/browse/2025-01/mms/en#577470983

ArabellaSaurus · 15/09/2025 11:45

Waitingforthecold · 15/09/2025 11:44

Are trans people seriously being held accountable to men’s treatment of women? Unfortunately men will find ways to abuse, assault and murder women regardless of what we do about single sex spaces.

my point is that I do not believe protecting single sec spaces will make any difference to the stats on male violence of women and girls. I would argue there’s a much larger, threat in common

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Males? Yes, sure. But predatory males will seek ways to access victims.

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/09/2025 11:45

Waitingforthecold · 15/09/2025 11:44

Are trans people seriously being held accountable to men’s treatment of women? Unfortunately men will find ways to abuse, assault and murder women regardless of what we do about single sex spaces.

my point is that I do not believe protecting single sec spaces will make any difference to the stats on male violence of women and girls. I would argue there’s a much larger, threat in common

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So we just open the floodgates, get rid of all safeguarding policy, allow males in with females, maybe adults in with children? Not worry about profiling and likelihood of assaults, rapes and murders and just have done with it?

Because:

A) Men will apparently always fined a way
B) Men in dresses feelings will be hurt and thats way more important than my daughters safety, or indeed, your mums?

OneAmberFinch · 15/09/2025 11:46

When did this thread turn into a random discussion of trans rights instead of discussing the topic at hand, i.e. Tyler Robinson's potential links to the trans community, particularly armed groups within it, and the extent to which they may have known about this in advance? It is of course early to speculate, but LE in Utah clearly thinks there is an angle there, it's not like FWR posters are just making it up out of spite and hate.

Sigh. I guess let's talk about people who just want to pee again.

Distract distract from any mention of violence from violent men.

ArabellaSaurus · 15/09/2025 11:46

If there is a need for women and men to be segregated, that has to be on the basis of sex.

We have single sex spaces for a reason, and it ain't lipstick.

ArabellaSaurus · 15/09/2025 11:47

OneAmberFinch · 15/09/2025 11:46

When did this thread turn into a random discussion of trans rights instead of discussing the topic at hand, i.e. Tyler Robinson's potential links to the trans community, particularly armed groups within it, and the extent to which they may have known about this in advance? It is of course early to speculate, but LE in Utah clearly thinks there is an angle there, it's not like FWR posters are just making it up out of spite and hate.

Sigh. I guess let's talk about people who just want to pee again.

Distract distract from any mention of violence from violent men.

To be fair, with current news topics, we get new visitors, and often people come to the subject with only a passing awareness of the issues and histories involved.

Merrymouse · 15/09/2025 11:47

Waitingforthecold · 15/09/2025 11:12

I just can’t think of a single real world example of when my privacy, safety or dignity have been jeopardised by a trans person. There’s a lot of buzz words that I can see would make me very angry if I subscribed to the belief that trans people are less than or if I was generally a more vulnerable and fearful person, which is where I think this debate falls apart. The fight seems to be had under the guise of a reasonable request and with the assertion that this is very regularly denied in the real world - it’s not, nor is there an actual real thread of it being, so I think we can probably just leave trans people alone

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Me neither!

To be honest, my privacy, safety and dignity are very rarely jeopardised by men. On a day to day basis I don't have much reason to use public toilets. I swim regularly, but on a beach where everyone just gets changed in the open air under a towel.

However, I can make the leap to imagining lives that aren't mine me, and situations that I haven't experienced. There is no objective definition of 'trans' (it's likely that there was confusion about the question, but a third of people in the last census who identified as having a gender different to their sex did not identify as male or female) so the only options are single sex services or mixed sex services.

If you want to argue for mixed sex prisons and rape crisis centres; or argue for some way to classify people who are truly 'trans' and exclude those who aren't, you should certainly go ahead and do that, and at least your argument would be coherent. But you cannot have single sex services that accommodate people of both sexes.

My fundamental concern is that without clear definitions of sex in law, women's rights don't exist at all.

ArabellaSaurus · 15/09/2025 11:49

Unfortunately, I've been unlucky enough to encounter a masturbating cross dresser in the women's loos. But regardless of this, I'd argue for single sex spaces on the basis of statistical data, safeguarding, and basic logic.

Waitingforthecold · 15/09/2025 11:50

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/09/2025 11:45

So we just open the floodgates, get rid of all safeguarding policy, allow males in with females, maybe adults in with children? Not worry about profiling and likelihood of assaults, rapes and murders and just have done with it?

Because:

A) Men will apparently always fined a way
B) Men in dresses feelings will be hurt and thats way more important than my daughters safety, or indeed, your mums?

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Of course not. But there are many other safeguarding practices in place to protect children and vulnerable people some will continue to look the same (DBS checks for example) and some might start to change in order to reflect a changing society. I respect you for fighting policy and not people, I would just hope that you are prepared to be flexible so that everyone is protected as best they can be and no one scapegoated

MarieDeGournay · 15/09/2025 11:51

Waitingforthecold · 15/09/2025 11:12

I just can’t think of a single real world example of when my privacy, safety or dignity have been jeopardised by a trans person. There’s a lot of buzz words that I can see would make me very angry if I subscribed to the belief that trans people are less than or if I was generally a more vulnerable and fearful person, which is where I think this debate falls apart. The fight seems to be had under the guise of a reasonable request and with the assertion that this is very regularly denied in the real world - it’s not, nor is there an actual real thread of it being, so I think we can probably just leave trans people alone

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Your first sentence could be interpreted as:

I have never experienced anything negative, therefore nothing negative has every been experienced by anyone, therefore nothing negative exists, and therefore anybody claiming to have experienced anything negative must be motivated by hate.

Do you extend this 'it never happened to me so it never happens' to other social phenomena I wonder?

It's not that trans people are 'less than' anybody else, or that they are not entitled to the same rights as anybody else, the problem arises when trans people claim to actually be opposite sex, and claim the rights and facilities - and even the words - reserved for that group.

That is unacceptable on a purely factual basis - it is not possible for human beings to change sex, you are born either male or female, it is encoded in every part of your body, and there's nothing you can do to 'transition' to the opposite sex.
It is also unacceptable on an ethical level - appropriation of other people's identities for personal gain or gratification is not acceptable, and indeed as a PP has pointed out, not legal: an able-bodied person who claims to be disabled to get a blue badge is committing fraud.

So how is that different from a male-bodied person claiming to be female and insisting on using spaces reserved for women?

So the problem is trans people, particularly trans identifying men, claiming to be 'more than' what they actually are, not posters on this board claiming they are 'less than' anybody or anything. They are entitled to the same rights as anyone else, but so are women.

To paraphrase an old slogan from the 1980s that I came across a while ago:
To transwomen, their rights and no more.
To women, our rights and no less.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/09/2025 11:51

OneAmberFinch · 15/09/2025 11:46

When did this thread turn into a random discussion of trans rights instead of discussing the topic at hand, i.e. Tyler Robinson's potential links to the trans community, particularly armed groups within it, and the extent to which they may have known about this in advance? It is of course early to speculate, but LE in Utah clearly thinks there is an angle there, it's not like FWR posters are just making it up out of spite and hate.

Sigh. I guess let's talk about people who just want to pee again.

Distract distract from any mention of violence from violent men.

Agree.

GailBlancheViola · 15/09/2025 11:54

Waitingforthecold · 15/09/2025 11:44

Are trans people seriously being held accountable to men’s treatment of women? Unfortunately men will find ways to abuse, assault and murder women regardless of what we do about single sex spaces.

my point is that I do not believe protecting single sec spaces will make any difference to the stats on male violence of women and girls. I would argue there’s a much larger, threat in common

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Are you really going down the men will find a way to rape you anyway so just let them in route?

Seriously?

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/09/2025 11:54

Waitingforthecold · 15/09/2025 11:50

Of course not. But there are many other safeguarding practices in place to protect children and vulnerable people some will continue to look the same (DBS checks for example) and some might start to change in order to reflect a changing society. I respect you for fighting policy and not people, I would just hope that you are prepared to be flexible so that everyone is protected as best they can be and no one scapegoated

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I am scapegoating the parents, professionals and trans identified people along with their defenders who are ignoring tried and tested safeguarding and allowing males into female spaces, thats who I am scapegoating - because it's is demonstrably their fault.

Do you suggest we do a DBS check and THEN a fourteen year old kid can show his wang to my daughter?

Is that OK?

No males in female spaces. Not one. Not ever.

Merrymouse · 15/09/2025 11:55

Waitingforthecold · 15/09/2025 11:44

Are trans people seriously being held accountable to men’s treatment of women? Unfortunately men will find ways to abuse, assault and murder women regardless of what we do about single sex spaces.

my point is that I do not believe protecting single sec spaces will make any difference to the stats on male violence of women and girls. I would argue there’s a much larger, threat in common

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Unfortunately men will find ways to abuse, assault and murder

They can commit voyeurism and indecent exposure with impunity, with just a simple change in policy.

LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 15/09/2025 11:57

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/09/2025 11:24

Sorry, what is a RINO? I’ve seen it before but don’t actually know what it stands for. Republican something?

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“Republican in name only”

Historically he has made very anti-Trump statements but his attitude has changed along the way.

Merrymouse · 15/09/2025 11:58

Waitingforthecold · 15/09/2025 11:50

Of course not. But there are many other safeguarding practices in place to protect children and vulnerable people some will continue to look the same (DBS checks for example) and some might start to change in order to reflect a changing society. I respect you for fighting policy and not people, I would just hope that you are prepared to be flexible so that everyone is protected as best they can be and no one scapegoated

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You haven't actually suggested any safeguarding practices.

What do you suggest 'I don't like the cut of his jib, so he can't use this changing room!'.

That sounds far more discriminatory than just having simple rules that allow boundaries to be set using objective criteria.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/09/2025 11:59

LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 15/09/2025 11:57

“Republican in name only”

Historically he has made very anti-Trump statements but his attitude has changed along the way.

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Thank you 🙏

Helleofabore · 15/09/2025 11:59

Waitingforthecold · 15/09/2025 11:44

Are trans people seriously being held accountable to men’s treatment of women? Unfortunately men will find ways to abuse, assault and murder women regardless of what we do about single sex spaces.

my point is that I do not believe protecting single sec spaces will make any difference to the stats on male violence of women and girls. I would argue there’s a much larger, threat in common

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Male people are being held accountable for male people's treatment of women.

Single sex spaces are not only for protecting female people from any male person who means them physical harm.

There is no evidence at all that the group of male people with transgender identities commit sex and violent crime at the same rate or less than the general female population in the UK. It would have to be proven that they did for even a logical argument to be had about that specific aspect of safeguarding.

However, safety is but one aspect of the safeguarding needs for female people. There are numerous harms.

Harms include:

-Rape and sexual assault.
-Violence.
-Sexual abuse that is not rape or sexual assault.
-Sexual abuse that also includes solo sexual acts or using the experience in future sexual acts.
-Any other abuse that may include verbal abuse, intimidation in any way etc.
-A male person's presence where female people need privacy and dignity.
-A male person's presence where female people need to feel safe from any male person's presence (over the age of about 8 years old).
-Female people self-excluding knowing that there may be a male person accessing that provision.

Narrowing the discussion to sex and violence offences does not remove these other harms from consideration for single sex spaces.

The point is, why should any female person be subject to higher risk of any of these harms just to allow a group of male people with a philosophical belief about their identity that doesn't reflect material reality access?

Waitingforthecold · 15/09/2025 12:01

SingleSexSpacesInSchools · 15/09/2025 11:54

I am scapegoating the parents, professionals and trans identified people along with their defenders who are ignoring tried and tested safeguarding and allowing males into female spaces, thats who I am scapegoating - because it's is demonstrably their fault.

Do you suggest we do a DBS check and THEN a fourteen year old kid can show his wang to my daughter?

Is that OK?

No males in female spaces. Not one. Not ever.

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No, I’m just suggesting that the child who sexually assaulted your daughter did so for reasons other than being trans, and that their access to your daughter would have been no more restricted even if policy staunchly protected single sex spaces. Changing rooms in high schools after all are not typically monitored by staff nor have any real security measures.

I’ll have to stop the discussion there I’m afraid as I have things to do.

I hope your daughter is provided with the right support following what happened to her and I wish you well in finding a way forward for your community.

LeaningOnTheEverlastingArms · 15/09/2025 12:04

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/09/2025 11:59

Thank you 🙏

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Very welcome 👍🏻

Shedmistress · 15/09/2025 12:07

Waitingforthecold · 15/09/2025 11:50

Of course not. But there are many other safeguarding practices in place to protect children and vulnerable people some will continue to look the same (DBS checks for example) and some might start to change in order to reflect a changing society. I respect you for fighting policy and not people, I would just hope that you are prepared to be flexible so that everyone is protected as best they can be and no one scapegoated

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DBS checks which allow people who say they are Trans to not put their previous names down and so their previous names don't get picked up unless they choose to call the Trans Hotline...those DBS checks?

Helleofabore · 15/09/2025 12:07

Waitingforthecold · 15/09/2025 11:04

I don’t fundamentally disagree with what you’re saying in principle. But I do disagree with demonising trans people (which is what this thread is essentially doing). I would think you can have your discussions and largely leave trans people out of it. You want ‘people who were born with female chromosome spaces’, is there seriously a lot of pushback on that? I would just assume that woman like me and trans women wouldn’t want to be in those spaces anyway but I can’t imagine many people actually have issue with them existing.

The issues is that this discussion never happens without being hateful towards trans people and largely denying their existence.

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You want ‘people who were born with female chromosome spaces’, is there seriously a lot of pushback on that?

Maybe you would like to see just what the majority of female people in the UK think about this very thing.

Here are links to several tracking YouGov polls since 2018. If you find the information too confusing to read, I will be happy to pull the specific 2024 survey data out for you to make it very clear. In particular look at the results for Do you think a transgender woman who has not had gender reassignment surgery should or should not be allowed to...

YouGov tracker data
This is comparing 2018 answers too.

In the following questions a transgender woman is someone who was biologically male at birth, but now identifies as a woman. A transgender man is someone who was biologically female at birth, but now identifies as a man.

Do you think transgender women should or should not be allowed to…
Take part in women's sporting events?2018 in italics, 2022 in [brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 27 [16] 12% 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 15%
Should not be allowed 48 [61] 74% 2018 - 2024 this is increase by 26%
Don't know 25 [22] 14%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 11%

Use women's changing rooms? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 42 [34] 25%. 2018 - 2024* this is decrease by 17%
Should not be allowed 33 [43] 58%. 2018 - 2024 this is increase by 25%
Don't know 25 [23] 17%. 2018 - 2024 *this is decrease by 8%

Use women's toilets? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 46 [38] 33%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 13%
Should not be allowed 30 [41] 51%. 2018 - 2024* *this is increase by 20%
Don't know 23 [21] 16%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 7%

Use women's refuges? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 47 [39] 29%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 18%
Should not be allowed 27 [36] 55%. 2018 - 2024 this is increase by 28%
Don't know 26 [25] 16%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 10%

No surgery question was asked in 2018

And the specific non surgical question from 2020:

Do you think a transgender woman who has not had gender reassignment surgery should or should not be allowed to...
Use women's changing rooms? 2020 in italics, 2022 in [brackets] vs 2024
Should be allowed 26 [25] 19%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 7%
Should not be allowed 46 [48] 63%. 2020 - 2024* *this is increase by 17%
Don't know 28 [27] 18%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 10%

Use women's toilets?
Should be allowed 31 [29] 23%. 2020 - 2024* *this is decrease by 8%
Should not be allowed 41 [46] 60%. 2020 - 2024 this is increase by 19%
Don't know 27 [25] 18%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 9%

And finally:

This question was also not asked in 2018

Do you believe that allowing transgender women to use spaces reserved for women, such as women's toilets or changing rooms, does or does not present a genuine risk of harm to women? 2020 in italics, 2022 in [brackets] vs 2024

Does not present a genuine risk of harm 39 [32] 25%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 14%
Does present a genuine risk of harm 32 [39] 55%. 2020 - 2024 this is increase by 23%
Don't know 29 [29] 20%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 9%

d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Transgender_data_2018.pdf

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Transgender_data_2020.pdf

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Internal_TransgenderIssues_220720_final_extraXbreak_FINAL.pdf

https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/YouGov_-_Transgender_study_2024.pdf

There was also a Sex Matters poll done within days of the YouGov tracker. These are the results of it compared to in the past too. Just pulling them together, the Sex Matters (2533 adults polled) results were often more supportive than the YouGov results (2078 adults polled).

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/SexMatters_Gender_241219_ZMwbM2T.pdf

In the following questions a transgender woman is someone who was biologically male at birth, but now identifies as a woman. A transgender man is someone who was biologically female at birth, but now identifies as a man.

Do you think transgender women should or should not be allowed to…
Take part in women's sporting events?2018 in italics, 2022 in [brackets vs 2024 SM (YG 2024)
Should be allowed 27 [16] 11%SM 2018 - 2024 SM this is decrease by 16% (YG 12%)
Should not be allowed 48 [61] 74%SM 2018 - 2024 SM this is increase by 26% (YG 74%)
Don't know 25 [22] 15%SM. 2018 - 2024 this is SM decrease by 10% (YG 14%)

Use women's changing rooms? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 42 [34] 27%SM. 2018 - 2024SM this is decrease by 15% (YG 25%)*
Should not be allowed 33 [43] 56%SM. 2018 - 2024SM this is increase by 23% (YG 58%)
Don't know 25 [23] 17%SM. 2018 - 2024 SM this is decrease by 8% (YG 17%)*

Use women's toilets? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 46 [38] 33%SM. 2018 - 2024 SMthis is decrease by 13% (YG 29%)
Should not be allowed 30 [41] 51%SM. 2018 - 2024SM this is increase by 20% (YG 55%)
Don't know 23 [21] 16%SM. 2018 - 2024 SM this is decrease by 7% (YG 16%)

Use women's refuges? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 47 [39] 31%SM. 2018 - 2024 SM this is decrease by 16% (YG 29%)
Should not be allowed 27 [36] 47%SM. 2018 - 2024 SM this is increase by 20% (YG 52%)
Don't know 26 [25] 22%SM. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease SM by 4% (YG 20%)

And the specific non surgical question from 2020:

Do you think a transgender woman who has not had gender reassignment surgery should or should not be allowed to...

Use women's changing rooms? 2020 in italics, 2022 in [brackets] vs 2024SM (YG 2024)
Should be allowed 26 [25] 20%SM. 2020 - 2024SM this is decrease by 6% (YG 19%)
Should not be allowed 46 [48] 62%SM. 2020 - 2024 SM this is increase by 16% (YG 63%)
Don't know 28 [27] 18%SM. 2020 - 2024 SM this is decrease by 10% (YG 18%)

Use women's toilets?
Should be allowed 31 [29] 26%SM. 2020 - 2024 SM this is decrease by 5% (YG 23%)
Should not be allowed 41 [46] 58%SM. 2020 - 2024 SM this is increase by 17% (YG 60%)
Don't know 27 [25] 16%SM. 2020 - 2024 SM this is decrease by 11% (YG 18%)

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/SexMatters_Gender_241219_ZMwbM2T.pdf

Waitingforthecold · 15/09/2025 12:11

Helleofabore · 15/09/2025 12:07

You want ‘people who were born with female chromosome spaces’, is there seriously a lot of pushback on that?

Maybe you would like to see just what the majority of female people in the UK think about this very thing.

Here are links to several tracking YouGov polls since 2018. If you find the information too confusing to read, I will be happy to pull the specific 2024 survey data out for you to make it very clear. In particular look at the results for Do you think a transgender woman who has not had gender reassignment surgery should or should not be allowed to...

YouGov tracker data
This is comparing 2018 answers too.

In the following questions a transgender woman is someone who was biologically male at birth, but now identifies as a woman. A transgender man is someone who was biologically female at birth, but now identifies as a man.

Do you think transgender women should or should not be allowed to…
Take part in women's sporting events?2018 in italics, 2022 in [brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 27 [16] 12% 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 15%
Should not be allowed 48 [61] 74% 2018 - 2024 this is increase by 26%
Don't know 25 [22] 14%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 11%

Use women's changing rooms? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 42 [34] 25%. 2018 - 2024* this is decrease by 17%
Should not be allowed 33 [43] 58%. 2018 - 2024 this is increase by 25%
Don't know 25 [23] 17%. 2018 - 2024 *this is decrease by 8%

Use women's toilets? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 46 [38] 33%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 13%
Should not be allowed 30 [41] 51%. 2018 - 2024* *this is increase by 20%
Don't know 23 [21] 16%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 7%

Use women's refuges? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 47 [39] 29%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 18%
Should not be allowed 27 [36] 55%. 2018 - 2024 this is increase by 28%
Don't know 26 [25] 16%. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease by 10%

No surgery question was asked in 2018

And the specific non surgical question from 2020:

Do you think a transgender woman who has not had gender reassignment surgery should or should not be allowed to...
Use women's changing rooms? 2020 in italics, 2022 in [brackets] vs 2024
Should be allowed 26 [25] 19%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 7%
Should not be allowed 46 [48] 63%. 2020 - 2024* *this is increase by 17%
Don't know 28 [27] 18%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 10%

Use women's toilets?
Should be allowed 31 [29] 23%. 2020 - 2024* *this is decrease by 8%
Should not be allowed 41 [46] 60%. 2020 - 2024 this is increase by 19%
Don't know 27 [25] 18%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 9%

And finally:

This question was also not asked in 2018

Do you believe that allowing transgender women to use spaces reserved for women, such as women's toilets or changing rooms, does or does not present a genuine risk of harm to women? 2020 in italics, 2022 in [brackets] vs 2024

Does not present a genuine risk of harm 39 [32] 25%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 14%
Does present a genuine risk of harm 32 [39] 55%. 2020 - 2024 this is increase by 23%
Don't know 29 [29] 20%. 2020 - 2024 this is decrease by 9%

d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Transgender_data_2018.pdf

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Transgender_data_2020.pdf

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/Internal_TransgenderIssues_220720_final_extraXbreak_FINAL.pdf

https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/documents/YouGov_-_Transgender_study_2024.pdf

There was also a Sex Matters poll done within days of the YouGov tracker. These are the results of it compared to in the past too. Just pulling them together, the Sex Matters (2533 adults polled) results were often more supportive than the YouGov results (2078 adults polled).

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/SexMatters_Gender_241219_ZMwbM2T.pdf

In the following questions a transgender woman is someone who was biologically male at birth, but now identifies as a woman. A transgender man is someone who was biologically female at birth, but now identifies as a man.

Do you think transgender women should or should not be allowed to…
Take part in women's sporting events?2018 in italics, 2022 in [brackets vs 2024 SM (YG 2024)
Should be allowed 27 [16] 11%SM 2018 - 2024 SM this is decrease by 16% (YG 12%)
Should not be allowed 48 [61] 74%SM 2018 - 2024 SM this is increase by 26% (YG 74%)
Don't know 25 [22] 15%SM. 2018 - 2024 this is SM decrease by 10% (YG 14%)

Use women's changing rooms? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 42 [34] 27%SM. 2018 - 2024SM this is decrease by 15% (YG 25%)*
Should not be allowed 33 [43] 56%SM. 2018 - 2024SM this is increase by 23% (YG 58%)
Don't know 25 [23] 17%SM. 2018 - 2024 SM this is decrease by 8% (YG 17%)*

Use women's toilets? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 46 [38] 33%SM. 2018 - 2024 SMthis is decrease by 13% (YG 29%)
Should not be allowed 30 [41] 51%SM. 2018 - 2024SM this is increase by 20% (YG 55%)
Don't know 23 [21] 16%SM. 2018 - 2024 SM this is decrease by 7% (YG 16%)

Use women's refuges? 2022 in brackets vs 2024
Should be allowed 47 [39] 31%SM. 2018 - 2024 SM this is decrease by 16% (YG 29%)
Should not be allowed 27 [36] 47%SM. 2018 - 2024 SM this is increase by 20% (YG 52%)
Don't know 26 [25] 22%SM. 2018 - 2024 this is decrease SM by 4% (YG 20%)

And the specific non surgical question from 2020:

Do you think a transgender woman who has not had gender reassignment surgery should or should not be allowed to...

Use women's changing rooms? 2020 in italics, 2022 in [brackets] vs 2024SM (YG 2024)
Should be allowed 26 [25] 20%SM. 2020 - 2024SM this is decrease by 6% (YG 19%)
Should not be allowed 46 [48] 62%SM. 2020 - 2024 SM this is increase by 16% (YG 63%)
Don't know 28 [27] 18%SM. 2020 - 2024 SM this is decrease by 10% (YG 18%)

Use women's toilets?
Should be allowed 31 [29] 26%SM. 2020 - 2024 SM this is decrease by 5% (YG 23%)
Should not be allowed 41 [46] 58%SM. 2020 - 2024 SM this is increase by 17% (YG 60%)
Don't know 27 [25] 16%SM. 2020 - 2024 SM this is decrease by 11% (YG 18%)

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Excuse if I’m being dense, but does this not support your argument? I was surprised there was pushback on having specific spaces and instead of just avoiding them, people are fighting them

Helleofabore · 15/09/2025 12:13

Can we also remember that the amount of sexual abuse in schools is horrifically high.

It is NOT inclusive to allow male students access to female single sex provisions. Because the very presence of any male person in a space that is supposed to be just for female people can cause distress for the female student. Just the presence of someone who is male can cause a female student to start to self exclude from that space which was supposed to be just for female people.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/09/2025 12:14

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2025 17:13

Just bumping this post as pp claimed it was “misinformation”.